Leave The Rest Of The World Alone

[Pinkslit]

So you Yanks have pissed off Bolivia and Venezuela now.
Why not concentrate on your own country's problems and leave the rest of the world alone? Your continual search and bullying tactics for the World's oil must stop. Russia will back these 2 countries and Russia is not a spent force that you can push around...as you will find out. Instead of being the world's bully, you will now become a victim of your own doing.

It is a pity that the world you are trying to control cannot vote in your elections...that would be the most democratic thing that could happen to you.

It is a wonderful thing to be patriotic, but to follow the dreams of fools who wish to conquer the world is sheer folly.


Chavez orders US ambassador to leave Venezuela
By Indo-Asian News Service on Friday, September 12, 2008

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has asked the US envoy Patrick Duddy to leave the country within 72 hours, saying he was making the move in solidarity with Bolivia after that close ally expelled the top US diplomat there, the EFE news agency reported Friday.

"Enough ... from you, Yankees," Chavez said Thursday night in the central state of Carabobo, using an expletive. The leftist leader also announced that he was recalling his country's envoy to the US, Bernardo Alvarez, "before they kick him out of Washington".
He said his government would begin "evaluating diplomatic relations with the US government," which would be responsible for what may happen with oil exports from Venezuela - the fifth-biggest supplier to the US.
Chavez, a frequent critic of the Bush administration and US foreign policy in Latin America and elsewhere, has repeatedly threatened in recent years to cut off oil supplies to the US and insists that Washington continues to plot to have him killed or ousted.
"When there's a new US government we'll send an ambassador. When a government that respects the people of Latin America," Chavez said.
He said he began considering the possible expulsion of the US ambassador Wednesday after his close ally, Bolivia's Evo Morales, ordered the US diplomat there to leave for allegedly instigating violent protests.
Eight people died Thursday in an armed clash between supporters and opponents of Morales, who has so far resisted using force to contain an open rebellion in separatist-minded provinces.
Militants demanding "autonomy" for the relatively prosperous eastern provinces that hold the lion's share of Bolivia's estimated 48 trillion cubic feet of natural gas - the impoverished Andean nation's most valuable resource - continue to occupy government buildings, block road and attack energy infrastructure.
The ostensible aim of the protests is to force Morales to reverse his decision reducing the respective provinces' share of natural gas revenues to fund old-age pensions.
On Thursday, Venezuelan military prosecutors said that an army general and a major had been arrested for allegedly plotting against Chavez, although they did not say whether the officers were active-duty or retired.
Chavez had announced the alleged plot earlier in the day and said that the plans to kill or depose him had been developed by the US and had the cooperation of pro-American sectors in Venezuela.
US-Venezuelan relations, which have grown testier in recent years, soured further this week after two Russian supersonic Tu-160 bombers arrived at a Venezuelan airfield for training flights.

[CrAnIuM]

Ho hum ...

1. The USA is the #1 customer of Venezuelan Oil. Their retard rants are just that, retarded. To stop selling oil to the USA would be a massive
blow to their economy. We are a close, geographically speaking, neighbor and to shift their major oil exports to another large market would take
a massive retooling of their delivery methods.

The % of oil export at last count, its several percentage points higher today. US 44.1%, Netherlands Antilles 14.5%, China 3.1% (2006)

Yeah, on one hand this sucks ass that the USA has to be tied to the fucktards by way of the OIL lifeline,
but on the other hand it gives the USA a small amount of monetary influence in the region.


2. The cold war is over, Russia no longer has the political will power and certainly lacks the military ability to 'reinforce' their Idiotic rants on a
global scale, Look at a calendar and take note that the last time they made such a move was around 40 years ago. Sure... Russia can push around
tiny provinces in it's own backyard but can't do any real damage or threatening to a place across the big pond.


3. The current US policy ( one I 100% support from a defense standpoint) is to be on a Strategic and Tactical Offensive. In other words go
to the areas that are directly tied to our interests and effect change THERE before we have an issue HERE ( in the USA). All sovereign nations
have the RIGHT of self protection of it's people and interests. The USA chooses to project our protection outside our own borders,
The Greeks did this ... The Romans did this ... The British did this ... its not new, and it works.

4. OIL is the bitch in this whole scenarios ... eventually the entire world will be at each others throat for the last fucking barrel unless energy
usage is changed, or that major breakthrough is invented to eliminate the need for petroleum being the #1 mofo in the transportation and energy market.

[KommieKat]

[B]So you Yanks have pissed off Bolivia and Venezuela now.
Why not concentrate on your own country's problems and leave the rest of the world alone? Your continual search and bullying tactics for the World's oil must stop. Russia will back these 2 countries and Russia is not a spent force that you can push around...as you will find out. Instead of being the world's bully, you will now become a victim of your own doing.

It is a pity that the world you are trying to control cannot vote in your elections...that would be the most democratic thing that could happen to you.

It is a wonderful thing to be patriotic, but to follow the dreams of fools who wish to conquer the world is sheer folly.

I would have to agree 110% with you.
People from all over are more than sick and tired of American aggression.
Enough is enough.

Ho hum ...

3. The current US policy ( one I 100% support from a defense standpoint) is to be on a Strategic and Tactical Offensive. In other words go
to the areas that are directly tied to our interests and effect change THERE before we have an issue HERE ( in the USA). All sovereign nations
have the RIGHT of self protection of it's people and interests. The USA chooses to project our protection outside our own borders,
The Greeks did this ... The Romans did this ... The British did this ... its not new, and it works.

And so you are satisfied with your explaination? This is reason enough and fully justified?

Some banana pickers for Del Monte decide to have a sit in, so to protect our "interests", we send in the marines.

I find it amusing the way Americans throw words out there like "protecting our interests" as if it's completely justified in itself, as a cure-all for problems that occur on the international scene.

More like an excuse to butt our nose into another countries affairs as well as set up CIA operations, littering the grounds with propoganda pamphlets about how good democracy is and "let us set you straight about human rights."

We have a right to protect ourselves but fuck it with the interests. If you decide to operate a business overseas and its threatened for what ever reasons, that's you're own damn fault. Why the hell should Americans lose their lives over pinapples? Fuck that.

U.S. policy is very transparent. It's goal is to maximize suffering in countries that resist American aggression. Partial victory is not acceptable.

Don't even get me started because I'll easily bomb your ass out of the water.
There is nothing, zero, nada that you can say to justify American aggression, prior or post WW2 and even that war is still questionable.

"To protect our interests." What a joke.

[Incognito]

buddhaboy reminds me of an Al Qeada terrorist. AMEDICAN AGGDESSION.

buddha, our "interests" aren't just objects or insignificant things. "interests" include things like our Embassies (which contain AMERICANS). Also, our allies are considered "interests". PEOPLE are our interests for the most part. It is our duty to protect our interests as well as our homeland. We're powerful and brave enough to do that. Japan is not. Get over it. Basically you're criticizing America for protecting our people overseas, our friends and our property. Why?... because other countries don't like it? Too fucking bad. Thats like saying "don't arrest someone who is stealing a car because thieves don't like it". You say (to avoid threat to our interests), stay in our own country? Don't be an idiot.

[Polar Bear]

3. The current US policy ( one I 100% support from a defense standpoint) is to be on a Strategic and Tactical Offensive. In other words go
to the areas that are directly tied to our interests and effect change THERE before we have an issue HERE ( in the USA). All sovereign nations
have the RIGHT of self protection of it's people and interests. The USA chooses to project our protection outside our own borders,
The Greeks did this ... The Romans did this ... The British did this ... its not new, and it works.

Newsflash: the Greek and Roman empires came to tragic ends. Some major theories about the Roman Empire actually state 'constant foreign invasion' as a major contributing factor in it's demise. Here's a link where I got this info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of...n_Ward-Perkins

Also, it didn't work for Germany to well, either.

But, even looking past all that, you can't defend a question of ethics by pointing to examples of it's effectiveness. Killing your sister might be the single most effective way to keep her from telling your parents on you, but it doesn't fucking make it a good policy.

Also, when you mentioned a sovereign nation's 'right' to protection of it's interests, I actually said "Is he joking?" out loud. Does your right to this precept trump all other people's rights in your mind? It must, because I'm reasonably sure that forcing other nations into a defensive stance by way of being tactically offensive would be an example of infringing upon those same rights.

You don't believe in these 'rights'. If you did, you wouldn't be so cavalier about removing them from foreigners. Indeed, the true amount of stock YOU place in these rights is made quite clear by how little you respect it for others.

[Negativecool]

The Greeks did this ... The Romans did this ... The British did this ... its not new, and it works.

I'm going to have to adamantly agree with Polar, at least in this respect. All of the empires you mentioned that have lived by the militaristic "offense as good defense" policy, have been humbled by their empires being either completely destroyed, or weakend to only a modest capacity.

History has shown, that it does not work.

[CrAnIuM]

Newsflash:.

The fact that you used WIKI to make your point marks you as a grade "A" fuckwit.

Furthermore, I restate that I 100% support the United State's right to Strike first, strike fast, ANYWHERE on the planet in the pursuit of US interests.

History has shown, that it does not work.

I disagree that those empires I chose to mention failed due to their proclivity for military action outside their own borders.

I contend that they failed, mainly, because they became a social state, and collapsed under the weight and the ever growing burden of that socialism.

Hence my disdain for socialism , and my willing embrace of capitalism.

[CrAnIuM]

war is still questionable.

"To protect our interests." What a joke.

When you can make an argument that is not a twisted retard conspiracy theory I will be happy to debate the facts with you.

[KommieKat]

When you can make an argument that is not a twisted retard conspiracy theory I will be happy to debate the facts with you.

Ya, riiiiiiiiiiight. You've mentioned that time and again yet I said nothing about conspiracy theories. You're being lame and avoiding discussion because in your brain, you're always right.

Further more, just because PB sited wiki does not make him a fuckwit. It CAN be a reliable source of info as any other encyclopedia or dictionary.

You have the innane ability to run your mouth about world events, democratic supporters of our gov, Obama, Socialist and so forth, yet, it amounts to nothing.
You pop your head out your ass as fast as you pop it back in.

Stand up and be a man for once, Turtleboy.

[Incognito]

Its true, buddah, everything (to you) is a conspiracy when it comes to the U.S. gov. Also, you use the terminology of terrorists, extremists and America haters. Crusaders, imperialists, invaders, amedican aggdession and so on. You're the type of guy who will end up walking into an American embassy with a bomb strapped to your chest screaming "Jihad!". Or the type of guy who will get caught on an airplane with a bomb in your shoe.

[KommieKat]

The fact that you used WIKI to make your point marks you as a grade \"A\" fuckwit.

Furthermore, I restate that I 100% support the United State's right to Strike first, strike fast, ANYWHERE on the planet in the pursuit of US interests..

Here is a slap on your ass about the U.S. respecting the sovereinty of other nations.....recent news btw.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/3047956

Its true, buddah, everything (to you) is a conspiracy when it comes to the U.S. gov. Also, you use the terminology of terrorists, extremists and America haters. Crusaders, imperialists, invaders, amedican aggdession and so on. You're the type of guy who will end up walking into an American embassy with a bomb strapped to your chest screaming \"Jihad!\". Or the type of guy who will get caught on an airplane with a bomb in your shoe.

How about leaving the exaggerations at the door step.
It's not true, not everything is a conspiracy to me, but there most diffinitely are some that have ripened into full blown facts, documented in history.

The events in Iraq should be eye opening enough.

[Polar Bear]

This thread rules.

[Josie]

This thread rules.

Hell Yes It Does !!!!

[KommieKat]

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[CrAnIuM]

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I bet you thought I would delete this as hijacking ...

[funeeman]

I'm sorry . . .but growing up it was great to have a "face" to put on our enemy. I loved pretending to fight the Russian Commie bastards in my back yard. I was happy the day they're government crashed and left everyone to rebuild. We had defeated the enemy in their own country. Since then we've tried to make it Iraq or Iran or some group of transient suicide bombers but really with very little effectiveness. I'm glad there is tension between the US and Russia (even though they are in a much weaker position than in the cold war) because it gives my nation a "face" for its enemy. World Peace is a fucking joke. Its never going to happen because egos and money are involved in every world leader's decision. For that reason we might as well try to get an "us" vs. "them" mentality going again and give our country a "bad" guy. Someone we can all root against and cheer again when they collapsed from power. And on a secondary level it wouldn't hurt the US economy either. It might be the thing we need to actually spur us to buy American products, stimulate industry again, and perhaps reduce our dependence on other "enemy" countries for energy. It might be the very thing that gets our government investing again into new domestic oil fields, nuclear energy, and other alternatives that could make us self sufficient. If we were ever to fully become self reliant or even 60-70% self reliant in energy we'd really dominate the world.

My personal view right now is fuck the rest of the world. Focus on us and our interests and if we need to recreate the cold war to do it. . .so be it. I want the US. . not the world. . . to be a better place for my kids when they grow up.