Why the Military should get out of Iraq...NOW!

[4nik8]

I have no reasons this should happen.

I think they're doing a hell of a job at keeping things going fairly smooth there.


Others, I'm sure, will have differing opinions.

At least, I hope so.

[CrAnIuM]

Thats not your usual god awful lengthy post ... what's up with that ?


Still ...


There is NO way the US military can reasonably with draw en mass at this point.
The vacuum of stabilizing influence would be filled either by lawless anarchy or by a neighboring region's own military.

The power of Saddam's brutal regime ensured one thing above all else ... that his GOVERNMENT was the only thug in the neighborhood, now the dude with the most guns is.

We made the shit cake, and regardless of WHY and HOW we came to be at this stage, we are left with no alternative but to see every bite eaten.

[Blood]

I agree with Prick, it would be nice if we had the luxury of pulling our troops out now, but we don't.

People need to understand that we are pretty much stuck there now and so we need to band together all of our resources to help us get through it safely and with minimum casualties.

All of the anti war bullshit and pulled funding for our troops is just delaying the inevitable, and potentially fucking up our street cred.

[4nik8]

Thats not your usual god awful lengthy post ... what's up with that ?

Like breaking in a new girl friend, I'm trying to ease into it.

I'll be going full tilt again in no time.

[Josie]

Thats not your usual god awful lengthy post ... what's up with that ?


Still ...


There is NO way the US military can reasonably with draw en mass at this point.
The vacuum of stabilizing influence would be filled either by lawless anarchy or by a neighboring region's own military.

The power of Saddam's brutal regime ensured one thing above all else ... that his GOVERNMENT was the only thug in the neighborhood, now the dude with the most guns is.

We made the shit cake, and regardless of WHY and HOW we came to be at this stage, we are left with no alternative but to see every bite eaten.

:smilie907599:

aka, I completely agree. We need an "I'm with stupid ^" sign

[KommieKat]

We made the shit cake, and regardless of WHY and HOW we came to be at this stage, we are left with no alternative but to see every bite eaten.

The WHY is because the CIA put him in power. He was a lackey puppet on a leash bidding the commands of his master, the U.S.

The HOW is because he broke his leash and started to run around doing his own thing. Master was not happy so decided to INVADE and put a stop to it.

[Josie]

regardless of WHY and HOW

The WHY is because the CIA put him in power. He was a lackey puppet on a leash bidding the commands of his master, the U.S.

The HOW is because he broke his leash and started to run around doing his own thing. Master was not happy so decided to INVADE and put a stop to it.

No matter how flawed the reason, it doesn't make ANY sense to just pull out.

[KommieKat]

No matter how flawed the reason, it doesn't make ANY sense to just pull out.

You're so right. Better to stay and kill off some more civilians.
A few more dead Americans being sent home in bodybags is another good reason.

While we are at it, let's pour another $400billion as military aid while the U.S. slides into
as recession.

[CrAnIuM]

The WHY is because the CIA put him in power. He was a lackey puppet on a leash bidding the commands of his master, the U.S.

The HOW is because he broke his leash and started to run around doing his own thing. Master was not happy so decided to INVADE and put a stop to it.

You make those statements as if to instruct me.

I assure I am the last person that needs instruction in the realm of international tinkering that is done by ALL governments.

I made my statements because to blame or find the source of the current situation does NOT alleviate or change the current path the US military has to maintain.

The current situation is as it is, one can't take back five years of influence by the US military. Contrary to what you may think I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the people of that region are better off now than five years ago.

During Saddam's regime the large cities had running water, a stable electrical grid and a stable environment of seemingly quiet and peaceful community life. But those things were a white wash of placation to the people which the regime held captive by an overwhelming policy of fear and oppression.

The common man held no individual rights, no power of self change, no outlet for intellectual or artistic expression that was free from governmental oversight and influence. Today the common man can follow his path as he sees fit for the most part.

Freedom is not a chicken in a pot and a working air conditioner ... FREEDOM is an ideal and lifestyle that can not be contained within a sadistic and all consuming dictatorship where only the privileged are given rights to express themselves.

The road to a self governing Iraq is long and like it or not will be influenced by the US government.

Some will say its merely a puppet government some will say otherwise.

[Josie]

You're so right. Better to stay and kill off some more civilians.
A few more dead Americans being sent home in bodybags is another good reason.

While we are at it, let's pour another $400billion as military aid while the U.S. slides into
as recession.

Wow. Are you really that entrenched in the here and now details that you can't see the big picture?

[KommieKat]

You make those statements as if to instruct me.

Absolutely not. May have read that way, but not meant that way.

Contrary to what you may think I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the people of that region are better off now than five years ago.

And that's where I should quietly back out. I do not have that knowledge.

Some will say its merely a puppet government some will say otherwise.

I shall stick with the "Otherwise."

[Jenn]

Absolutely not. May have read that way, but not meant that way.



And that's where I should quietly back out. I do not have that knowledge.



I shall stick with the "Otherwise."

The great majority of us civilians dont know what's really going on there. A lot of people see violence, dead soldiers, dead civilians, and whatnot. But no one ever sees the children with the soldiers, people thanking them and whatnot. The US being there, have really made a difference in a good way.

I know you don't see it that way. I like you and all, but I think you're just biased. Open your eyes a bit and see the big picture here. We are there to help them, not to harm at all.

[Chriss]

The current situation is as it is, one can't take back five years of influence by the US military. Contrary to what you may think I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the people of that region are better off now than five years ago.

I completely agree. I'm sure alot of us know someone that has lost a loved one in Iraq due to the war, but we have to know that their sacrifices aren't in vain. It may be hard to see, but we are making a difference!

[CrAnIuM]

I completely agree. I'm sure alot of us know someone that has lost a loved one in Iraq due to the war, but we have to know that their sacrifices aren't in vain. It may be hard to see, but we are making a difference!

I've literally worn the blood of a fallen battle buddy in more than one conflict and its
never an easy thing to deal with, but its made especially more difficult when the negative
rhetoric of the media, and citizens in general, see the troop as the one to blame for the conflict.

I have no doubt in my mind that the US has muddied the water in more than
one political landscape ...still, the warrior does not choose the war, he only chooses to end it quickly.

[KommieKat]

The great majority of us civilians dont know what's really going on there. A lot of people see violence, dead soldiers, dead civilians, and whatnot. But no one ever sees the children with the soldiers, people thanking them and whatnot. The US being there, have really made a difference in a good way.

Yes yes, I saw those old reels of WW2 vets riding the backs of tanks as it goes through Paris or Tokyo, throwing Hershey chocolates to the half-naked children. How heart warming.

Sorry, but I don't buy that bullshit.

You're more than welcome to point out the "good way (s)" if you wish, but please spare me the candy handouts.

[KommieKat]

I've literally worn the blood ......

.......of a civilian in a bar many years ago in L.A. who was shot through the heart by some patron. As I tried to give her CPR, she was already dead. Does that make me any more a hero? No.

You're not the only who has seen blood.

[CrAnIuM]

.......of a civilian in a bar many years ago in L.A. who was shot through the heart by some patron. As I tried to give her CPR, she was already dead. Does that make me any more a hero? No.

You're not the only who has seen blood.

You obviously misunderstood my post ...

I did not say that to elicit a standing ovation nor to portray myself as some sort of 'hero'.

I say it to illustrate a more personal, human perspective of the soldier that does these things in the face of public scrutiny.

As a soldier I followed orders, yes. However I never felt compelled to follow an illegal order. Every act of violence I committed
was done within military law with the backing of an established Congressional order.

That means that there were MANY chances for the entire conflict to be called off and for political pressures to prevent the conflict
PRIOR to me having to board transport to those war zones.

So, I say that the war fighter is not the one to be held responsible for the conflict but it is the failed
policy that led to the troop being deployed.

[KommieKat]

So, I say that the war fighter is not the one to be held responsible for the conflict but it is the failed
policy that led to the troop being deployed.

Here here! Bravo bravo!

And my statement about doing CPR is a true story. Sad, but true.

[Chriss]

So, I say that the war fighter is not the one to be held responsible for the conflict but it is the failed
policy that led to the troop being deployed.

Agreed.

And my statement about doing CPR is a true story. Sad, but true.

I'm really sorry to hear about this. :(

[Jenn]

Yes yes, I saw those old reels of WW2 vets riding the backs of tanks as it goes through Paris or Tokyo, throwing Hershey chocolates to the half-naked children. How heart warming.

Sorry, but I don't buy that bullshit.

You're more than welcome to point out the "good way (s)" if you wish, but please spare me the candy handouts.

I'm not trying to conince you or anything about anything. I'm stating how I feel. And I feel that we are in Iraq right now helping them.

[Jenn]

Here here! Bravo bravo!

And my statement about doing CPR is a true story. Sad, but true.

I'm sorry to hear that. =(

[4nik8]

You make those statements as if to instruct me.

I assure I am the last person that needs instruction in the realm of international tinkering that is done by ALL governments.

I made my statements because to blame or find the source of the current situation does NOT alleviate or change the current path the US military has to maintain.

The current situation is as it is, one can't take back five years of influence by the US military. Contrary to what you may think I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the people of that region are better off now than five years ago.

During Saddam's regime the large cities had running water, a stable electrical grid and a stable environment of seemingly quiet and peaceful community life. But those things were a white wash of placation to the people which the regime held captive by an overwhelming policy of fear and oppression.

The common man held no individual rights, no power of self change, no outlet for intellectual or artistic expression that was free from governmental oversight and influence. Today the common man can follow his path as he sees fit for the most part.

Freedom is not a chicken in a pot and a working air conditioner ... FREEDOM is an ideal and lifestyle that can not be contained within a sadistic and all consuming dictatorship where only the privileged are giving rights to express themselves.

The road to a self governing Iraq is long and like it or not will be influenced by the US government.

Some will say its merely a puppet government some will say otherwise.

That was so....eloquent and moving it brought a tear to my eye.

Where'd you c/p this from?

[CrAnIuM]

That was so....eloquent and moving it brought a tear to my eye.

Where'd you c/p this from?

Nigga please ... thats all me dude !!

[Shade]

Can i ask a question....any one got a picture of the iraq uniform? I heard someone else say this, and it doesnt seem like we are fighting an army, rather then fighting city's and there people. I agree we can't pull out now. It's like that guy in that movie who got his dick stuck in his zipper. We are stuck till something happens, we can try to move out slowly, but if we just leave we will end up cutting off our own dicks. still i've been against the iraq war from the start. I just dont belive in fucking over the majority of our troops. though there are a few specific units that i wouldnt mind.

Perhaps our troops can pull out, and let the merc units hold, even though its poliiticly a nightmare to do that, its the only semi reasonable solution. The fact is we will most likely be there atleast 2 more years if not more. Fighting in the middle east is like a perpetual conflict of a 5 yearold breaking up to 3 yearolds fighting over who has the right to the last cookie. It wont stop, and the 5 yearold is still in danger of the 2 idiot 3 yearolds ganging up on em.

[Amythist]

We shouldn't have been over there this long in the first place. It angers me that they have kept families from their loved ones to rebuild a place not even in the us! They need to start getting our people back in a safe manor!