Gay marriage

[Scabman]

Today the marriage law in Norway underwent a reform so gay people can marry and get the same benefits as straight people.
Now, Norway have joined the ranks of countries like Belgium, Canada, Netherlands, South Africa and Spain, as well as California and Massachusetts.

What is your view on gay marriage?

What about gay adoption?

[Silly Cunt]

Because my personal beliefs lie 100% with anti-religion...I have no problem with the union of same sex couples. Marriage that is.

I don't believe in adoption, mainly because I don't think we as a human culture, are ready for little Bobby to be represented by both Darren and Andrew at all major moments in his/her life (juvenile). But that will change.

Homosexuality, albeit crook, is rampant, and it's a hell of a lot more 'believable' than the Fear of God.

Footnote: Catholics are fucked.

[Shade]

I agree with silly because it seems if your christian and gay, you become a priest. I think as a culture we are ready for it. If we can have queer eye for the streight guy be one of the more popular shows watched by males, then i don't think its that big of a problem.

Honestly, in this day in age, men love lesbiens, women love gay guys. Some people who can't make up there mind what they are love trannys! Most of our culture is respectful if your gay. For instance, we use fag alot here on this board. If someone was gay and said they where gay, i think everyone would still use the word gay. i dont think anyone would try to flame him for the sole fact that he is gay, nor do i see it being used in arguements.

I think we forgot how to seperate church and state. Marrage is a legal contract. That should be open to any 2 individials of age. I think the whole church thing is the churches buisness. They don't have to recoginize it.

I think if 2 gay guys have been together for 30 years, and one of them dies, the other guy should get the benifits. I think if 2 gay guys want to raise a family, they should be able to. Though i believe a boy needs a man and a woman in their lifes, t doesn't have to be a direct parent. Plus gay guys are pretty femine. Unless your going to say they are doing a worse job then laqueisha down the street who have 10 kids, in which 8 are fed, 5 are clothed, and the welfare cards maxed. Thing is, give one of those kids to bob and rod, who have 200k in the bank, and will spend every waking moment being there for em, buy them what they need, teach them right and wrong etc. And don't give me that immoral shit. I know gay guys that are far more moral then 90% of the fuckers in church.

Also what happens when 2 gay guys are together for 20 years, one takes a part time job and takes care of the responsabilitys so the other guy can advance in his career, and then the one guy breaks up with him? I mean talk about assfucked! Think about it, think about the sacrafices you make in a normal relastionship, Divorce is there to protect marrage. It means that its regonized that you two worked together for everything.

I dont think its right to have any law exclude people like that. I believe if your old enough to understand what your getting into, have sound body and mind, it should cover everyone.

[Silly Cunt]

I agree with pretty much everything except the part that states;

I think if 2 gay guys have been together for 30 years

Homosexuality hasn't been 'socially' acceptable until (my opinion) as late as the year 2000.

Fags, used to have to hide their relationships in a secret form. But now it appears more estrogen (sp?) flows though more males than females these days, hence it is becoming a less of a trend, and more of a staple.

I don't advocate the idea of poofterism, but I guess I have grown to accept that it is as natural as genitically modified food (not natural, but it's here to stay).

I wish the best for you and your anus.

[badutahboy]

First off... Congrats scabby! Gonna finally tie the knot?


Next, I pretty much agree with Silly... I have no issues with Gay marriage, but something still bugs me about gay adoption... Oddly, I'm more opposed to a male couple adopting than a female couple adopting though.. It's probably got something to do with the "mother" thing...

[Jenn]

I am all for gay marriage. I believe if two people are in love, they should be able to be proud and show it. Well, wait, I take that back.. if its a family thing, the two people should be shot between the eyes instead. I don't understand why people have a problem with gay marriage.. its not like they have to live it.

As for adoption, Im all for that too. As long as they can offer a loving, and stable home from the child, then it should be okay. The only thing that bothers me about it is that children can be so cruel and growing up ina household where your parents are gay, theyre bound to get made fun of for it.. but in that case, just teach the child that not everyone has an open mind, and just try to ignore the b.s.

[Josie]

I have no qualms towards gay marriage or adoption... for obvious reasons :)

Actually, you know what, not all of you may know... and I have a bit more to add.

My dad is gay and was the one to raise me from 12 on, saving me from a really bad situation with my mom. That shit about moms being best is not always true - each situation is different.

Now, about adoption. My dad has some friends here in Texas (a gay couple) who adopted two Hispanic brothers who came from an abused home. They were just floating around foster homes, getting worse and worse. They are now quite stable and LOVE their parents.

To address ridiculous concerns: Gay does not equal child molester. That's like saying a straight man will molest his daughter because she has a vag. Also, sexuality doesn't enter a kid's brain until puberty - and especially doesn't concerning their parents (go ahead, imagine yours gettin' it on... hehe ). When I met my dad's boyfriend, it never occurred to me that it was weird for them to be together. Kids view relationships like friendships, and it will stay that way so long as they are not overexposed to anything - unlike my mother's gallivantings on the living room couch... ew.

Being that sexuality is specific to each person, there is no need to worry that having gay parents will turn a kid gay. Straight parents raised the gay ones, yeah? I was raised by a gay Dad... and I'm married, have a tot, love the penis, and am pregnant. People are pre-wired to what they will be attracted to. Think about the five year old game of "you show me yours, I'll show you mine" - they have that curiosity from seemingly nowhere.

Gay couples cannot have children on their own, but want them so badly to complete their needs for a family, thus they are willing to take the "undesirables" and, in some cases, prefer these children because they understand where they're coming from.

I honestly didn't think there was any hope for the two boys our friends adopted. They were well beyond toddlers and just seemed so far gone that I thought the couple may end up splitting under the pressure. Nope. They had some bumps, but with super-consistent parenting, both the boys are doing really well and are really happy.

[InterStella]

Well said Josie.


But, why is there no mention of lesbian relationships? They wanna get married too, ya know!


I know of a partnership made in heaven. My friends Mat & Rammi (secret funny names!) have been in a lesbian relationship together for the last 6-and-a-half years. They would so love to be a complete family that they began their search for a sperm donor a year ago. It took a while to find a 'compatible' donor (nothing to do with academics, it was all about skin-tone and hair/eye colour.... no point ending up with a ginger kid if it's not even your fault lol!).


After two painful attempts at the clinic, she is expecting a baby! Things are going well. She's about 5 months gone now, and feeling great.

And I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this couple will commit to each other in a civil ceremony one day.

What's wrong with that?

[badutahboy]

Well said Josie.


But, why is there no mention of lesbian relationships? They wanna get married too, ya know!


I know of a partnership made in heaven. My friends Mat & Rammi (secret funny names!) have been in a lesbian relationship together for the last 6-and-a-half years. They would so love to be a complete family that they began their search for a sperm donor a year ago. It took a while to find a 'compatible' donor (nothing to do with academics, it was all about skin-tone and hair/eye colour.... no point ending up with a ginger kid if it's not even your fault lol!).


After two painful attempts at the clinic, she is expecting a baby! Things are going well. She's about 5 months gone now, and feeling great.

And I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this couple will commit to each other in a civil ceremony one day.

What's wrong with that?

Lesbians are usually covered under the term "gay".

If we were talking about homo marriages or fag marriages, your point would be stronger, because those terms are usually reserved for men...

[InterStella]

Lesbians are usually covered under the term "gay".

If we were talking about homo marriages or fag marriages, your point would be stronger, because those terms are usually reserved for men...

Most of the responses in this thread are relating to male gay relationships. I'm just putting another perspective on the whole thing.

My point, however, still stands. My friends are in a solid relationship, and want a child to make them a family. They have the whole-hearted support of their family and friends in their endeavour, and I look forward to the christening*.









*This will probably be the campest 'do' in the Gay Village.... j/k

[Josie]

Most of the responses in this thread are relating to male gay relationships. I'm just putting another perspective on the whole thing.

My point, however, still stands. My friends are in a solid relationship, and want a child to make them a family. They have the whole-hearted support of their family and friends in their endeavour, and I look forward to the christening*.

Yeah, sorry I didn't include anything specific to lesbians... I just don't really know too many :(

That, and they usually skip the agonizing adoption bit and just make their own babies (as your friends are doing).

[Amythist]

I don't care! It doesn't affect my life one bit. More power to um.

[KommieKat]

Raising children is not just a "mommy and daddy" thing.
It's also a grandma and grandpa, uncle and auntie thing as well.

The whole family should be involved when raising the family and while I am at it, the community (wishful thinking).

[Hardwood]

Most of the responses in this thread are relating to male gay relationships. I'm just putting another perspective on the whole thing.

My point, however, still stands. My friends are in a solid relationship, and want a child to make them a family. They have the whole-hearted support of their family and friends in their endeavour.

They have the luxury of not needing to adopt, just endure the male sperm to impregnate and they have many ways for that to happen.
I still do not think it is right to bring up a child in that atmosphere, but what the fuck do I know.
Life is tough enough as a child with heterosexual parents and normal surroundings, throw in obstacles like homosexuality and it seems irresponsible to me. Again WTF do I know.

[Josie]

They have the luxury of not needing to adopt, just endure the male sperm to impregnate and they have many ways for that to happen.
I still do not think it is right to bring up a child in that atmosphere, but what the fuck do I know.
Life is tough enough as a child with heterosexual parents and normal surroundings, throw in obstacles like homosexuality and it seems irresponsible to me. Again WTF do I know.

Seriously.

I can speak from experience during the most vicious years of childhood - no one cared, except for the usual questions, like I've had here : "Is your dad really gay or is that just a rumor? How did he know? Was he married?"

Basically, people were just curious, and I had friends over to stay the night all the time... apparently it didn't bother their parents either?

By the mere fact that I honestly don't know what other parents thought and that my friends or acquaintances never seemed to care, I don't think it's irresponsible at all.

I had one of the most normal upbringings a kid from my original situation could have asked for.

Oh yes, and I was never teased about it. I was teased about being from "Up North" and sewing my own jeans in middle school - aka the usual shit, but NEVER about having a gay dad.

___________

What's irresponsible to ME is when a family BEHAVES irresponsibly, like white trash never allowing homework time for their children or helping their children DO their homework, buying booze instead of new clothes for their kids, hollering curse words and insults at their child as they're being dropped off at school, etc.

They're straight, right? That should make them responsible??

No, the *way* you parent is what determines how responsible you are with your children and consequently how well or mal adjusted they are.

[Hardwood]

Seriously.

I can speak from experience during the most vicious years of childhood - no one cared, except for the usual questions, like I've had here : "Is your dad really gay or is that just a rumor? How did he know? Was he married?"

Basically, people were just curious, and I had friends over to stay the night all the time... apparently it didn't bother their parents either?

By the mere fact that I honestly don't know what other parents thought and that my friends or acquaintances never seemed to care, I don't think it's irresponsible at all.

I had one of the most normal upbringings a kid from my original situation could have asked for.

Oh yes, and I was never teased about it. I was teased about being from "Up North" and sewing my own jeans in middle school - aka the usual shit, but NEVER about having a gay dad.

___________

What's irresponsible to ME is when a family BEHAVES irresponsibly, like white trash never allowing homework time for their children or helping their children DO their homework, buying booze instead of new clothes for their kids, hollering curse words and insults at their child as they're being dropped off at school, etc.

They're straight, right? That should make them responsible??

No, the *way* you parent is what determines how responsible you are with your children and consequently how well or mal adjusted they are.

I could not agree more with your post. The assumption is though that the gay parents are NOT buying booze instead of clothes etc. I can not stereotype "them" as I just know one male couple slightly. Just seems a shame to bring a child into the world with one more hurdle to jump. My next door neighbors are both deaf and they have a daughter, it has been tough for her (she is not hearing impaired) seems selfish to me.
But again, WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW!

[badutahboy]

Most of the responses in this thread are relating to male gay relationships. I'm just putting another perspective on the whole thing.

My point, however, still stands. My friends are in a solid relationship, and want a child to make them a family. They have the whole-hearted support of their family and friends in their endeavour, and I look forward to the christening*.









*This will probably be the campest 'do' in the Gay Village.... j/k

Valid point.. I specifically mentioned lesbos in my post, so I guess it didn't occur to me that everyone else had omitted them.

[badutahboy]

I could not agree more with your post. The assumption is though that the gay parents are NOT buying booze instead of clothes etc. I can not stereotype "them" as I just know one male couple slightly. Just seems a shame to bring a child into the world with one more hurdle to jump. My next door neighbors are both deaf and they have a daughter, it has been tough for her (she is not hearing impaired) seems selfish to me.
But again, WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW!

I can see both sides... and I think you both make valid points...

i don't know where Josie grew up, but I'm assuming it wasn't Lincoln, Nebraska or __________(insert other outrageously conservative location here)...

I think gay adoption should be considered on a very specific case by case basis. I have no problem with them disallowing it in some areas, because your points are totally valid in many places.. If a kid grew up in Utah with gay parents, I can't even imagine the torture they'd endure (it's pretty bad to grow up non-mormon here.. I hate to think about adding in another taboo)...

I guess the short version is that gay couples should be allowed to adopt, but they should be scrutinized a little closer than straight couples.. (and straight couples should be scrutinized closer than they are currently)

[Josie]

The assumption is though that the gay parents are NOT buying booze instead of clothes etc. I can not stereotype "them" as I just know one male couple slightly.

Oh no, I'm sorry, I wasn't implying that at all... I was just trying to put it in perspective I suppose.

[Hardwood]

I can see both sides... and I think you both make valid points...

i don't know where Josie grew up, but I'm assuming it wasn't Lincoln, Nebraska or __________(insert other outrageously conservative location here)...

I think gay adoption should be considered on a very specific case by case basis. I have no problem with them disallowing it in some areas, because your points are totally valid in many places.. If a kid grew up in Utah with gay parents, I can't even imagine the torture they'd endure (it's pretty bad to grow up non-mormon here.. I hate to think about adding in another taboo)...

I guess the short version is that gay couples should be allowed to adopt, but they should be scrutinized a little closer than straight couples.. (and straight couples should be scrutinized closer than they are currently)

And who are these gods that make these decisions? It would seem to me that common sense would play a part here but that is not a part of the world now. Sorry I am so synacle, I made a decision and I am fine with it. I wish others would think!
BTW I am not gay, just thought it was not a good idea for me to have children. You are welcome.

[badutahboy]

And who are these gods that make these decisions? It would seem to me that common sense would play a part here but that is not a part of the world now. Sorry I am so synacle, I made a decision and I am fine with it. I wish others would think!
BTW I am not gay, just thought it was not a good idea for me to have children. You are welcome.

lol.. I have the same mentality about having kids as you do.

As for who the gods are that make those decisions...well, that's a pretty damned good question. Our government is far too fucked to be trusted with child welfare, especially when something political like gay adoption is involved. same goes for religion... in fact, most everyone has some agenda about the issue, so the only answer I have is "fuck if I know"

[Fishypancake]

I do not care about the gays. They can do whatever they want. They should be looked at like anyone else. I really do not see the big difference between homos, and straights. Its none of my concern.

[Stickman]

I'm all for gay civil ceremony. That is to be recognised as a couple in the eyes of the law. I don't expect the church to let them be recognised if it is against their religious beliefs. Any law that discriminates against a person because of their sexual preference should not be allowed. Thus gay people should be allowed to be recognised for the legal benefits which come with marriage.

[stopwatch]

While I'm not quite sure about the pretentious introduction/unprofessional delivery. I do believe this guy is on to something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYPVISQR9fY

[possessedblanket]

Just to share a little background: I'm an unfortunate product of my upbringing. Growing up, my parents bashed gays (and other races/ethnicities) until they were blue in the face. Even though I try my best to be open-minded, I always seem to fall short on the gay issue. By no means am I trying to make excuses by blaming my parents. I completely own up to my ignorance and I'm comfortable with it. I've accepted the fact that most likely, in this lifetime, the concept of homosexuality will always weird me out. However, I have faith that my children will be better than me because I will do my best to keep these ignorant thoughts to myself when I'm around them.
As for the gay marriage/gay adoption issue specifically, I could care less and I don't think people should go out of their way to prevent a group of people from exercising basic civil liberties.
Wars are raging, economies collapsing, the world food crisis is bigger than ever. The gay marriage issue needs to be addressed and people should move on to more pressing matters. I'm sick of it being the focal point of many political debates.