SOPA and PIPA

[CrAnIuM]

The SOPA and PIPA are dangerous.

Read --> https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/sopa-pipa/

Read --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more


They wear the guise of protecting commerce to hide the ugly face that belongs to the monster that wants to curtail freely shared and open speech.

The main weapon of a free society is the ability to get the message out.


With the SOPA/PIPA in place it will be easy to simply make a website unavailable just by saying that there may be copy write violations.

In other words ...

If YOU post a link here to a video that is owned elsewhere this forum would be responsible for that content and in fact would be in violation of the SOPA.

See how easy it would be to turn off ALL anti-government or anti-?? web sites?

Don't think the US is in the business of curtailing freedoms? Where the fuck have you been guy ... remember a thing called The Patriot Act?

Ironic ..call it "Patriot" and then snatch 100% of freedom from an accused. ( no lawyer, no right to evidence .. etc etc ...) What a crock.




The game plan of incrementalism and attrition are powerful tools for remolding a population. The CIA uses it as their base model for regime change.

Let this pass as it is and it will be added to the OTHER things.


Orwell's 1984 doesn't look so odd and foreign any longer ... does it?.

[KommieKat]

I'm so pissed off about this fucking shit. You can thank Murdoch for this bullshit. He's the fuck behind it as well as any other asshole who thinks they can even attempt to stifle creative energy.

They're going to get it to the point that anything NEW and creative will need licencing or some other such nonsense.

[Bunnee]

So let me get this right....

SOPA and PIPA are bills trying to be passed, to stop people from downloading illegal content such as movies and music? o_O

[CrAnIuM]

SOPA and PIPA are bills trying to be passed, to stop people from downloading illegal content such as movies and music? o_O

That is what the Government wants the folks to believe.

Many folks, myself included, ( and a great many very very smart folks too) belive it is the wrong way to go about the piracy issue.

Piracy needs to be an industry responsibility not an end user.

Imagine little old Gary getting sued by Sony entertainment, for example, for a link one of you bastards posts here ... I'd never be able, finacially, to plead my case in court.

Also, the government having the ability to drop an 8x10 sheet of paper on a judge's desk and getting ANY website blacklisted with virtually minimal evidence requirements is just a smoke screen for being about to curtail dissident behavior.

Example: Many of the the most recent world events centered around large groups of regular folks coming together at a certain place and time. The only way effective way to get in contact with people across all demographics effectively these days is via the web.

Cell phone providers are ALREADY in the Man's pocket. Soon Cable TV will be as well.


Now the Man wants the web.


Imagine the government having full control over the web. Close down what they want, allow the party line to remain broadcasting.


Far fetched ? Maybe .... or not.

[Dirty Hippie]

I am fully against these bills, however it's impossible to tell the true extent that they'll be carried out or enforced. I guess it's kinda like Iran's nuclear program, you just have to judge how much you value their word and if the possible ramifications are worth it. These are not tools that the government should have in their current form in my opinion.

[CrAnIuM]

it's impossible to tell the true extent

Exactly, that ^^ is a main caveat to my opposition.

The US Government used the Patriot act and ran wild with it.


When a group of goons can swoop in to your home, detain a member of your family, confiscate all your electronic gear, get all your phone records, intercept all your mail and NEVER tell you why as long as they say " national defense issue"; that is power run amok.

Hell .. there are even stories where the families were ordered NOT to talk to anyone, even legal representation, or they too would go to fed lock up.

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The US used to be in to clandestine shenanigans to keep the proletariat in line. Now .. they stand right in your face and wave the flag and tell you all this bullshit is for your own good or that you have it all wrong and that no one is plotting on you.


BS ... all of it.

[Negativecool]

I say bring it. Prohibition did wonders for crime and other illegal mafiary. These will no doubt only serve to usher in a new horrible era of epic piracy and uncheckable illegalness throughout the great world wide wurbs.

[Zeabot]

true extent that they'll be carried out or enforced
That's a moot point. Who cares how far they will carry it out. The important thing is they can.

While Cranium is exactly right, any one posting some illegal content would put him in peril, this is much bigger than that. No offense to our lovely admin, but SC is a small fry. Wikipedia could be held accountable for some dipshit posting illegal content or even Google itself! Whenever the government decided enough was enough, they could shut it down. That is scary shit.

[Firestorm]

Yet another instance of big brother trying to regulate our lives. I'm off the grid in 11 months. Can not wait.

[KommieKat]

Here's a nice article from The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/16/stop-sopa-now?INTCMP=SRCH

Stop Sopa now

What Sopa's proponents say is simple: online infringement is so bad and so prevalent that extraordinary measures are now needed to slow it down. They say they only want to go after the most egregious violators of copyright. A movie industry association blogger wrote that it would "target foreign rogue sites that knowingly and deliberately engage in the illegal distribution of stolen content, including movies and television shows, for profit".

This is a partial truth, concealing a huge lie. The legislation is vaguely written and over-broad – no doubt, deliberately – and it would give copyright holders weapons that would go far, far beyond the "foreign rogue sites" the industry claims are the target. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has ably explained much of the damage this bill could cause, but here are a few especially bad provisions.

For example, copyright holders could invite payment systems such as PayPal, Visa and Mastercard to cut off services to allegedly infringing operations – and the payment systems would be granted immunity from lawsuits, giving them an incentive to do Hollywood's bidding with little recourse for the affected sites.

[Titty]

I think there's only one viable solution to this issue.

We need to occupy the motherfuckin' internet.

[Zeabot]

occupy the motherfuckin' internet.
I'm already there. *sigh*

[Titty]

I'm already there. *sigh*

Well, I guess my work here is done. :63:

[CrAnIuM]

I say bring it. Prohibition did wonders for crime and other illegal mafiary.

Except in these modern times folks get their news from the WWW and information electronically.

Print media is struggling to remain viable, and news papers have been forced to open web versions of their rag in order to maintain a subscription base.

The common man gets his "news" from only one or two sources and fails to cross check or take personal responsibility to investigate things he believes are important, that same man is easy to steer by injecting the party line into the "news" ( see FoX and MSNBC for injected party line rhetoric).


People don't talk to each other like they did in the 30's and 40's. Word of mouth is ineffective for getting the story out in a fashion to reach enough people to make a difference.




Folks looking for that one man to make a change in the system will grow old and die waiting. The only way ONE man can make a difference these days is with 75 lbs of C4 and roofing nails strapped to his chest because all we seem to react to is carnage and large scale doom.


See my previous comment on incrementalism. Western Governments use it the same way as the former Soviet block used the Tank and Ak. Its just far less noticeable to kill a man's freedom with policy than with gunfire, but the results are much the same.

[KommieKat]

Except in these modern times folks get their news from the WWW and information electronically.

I'm happy to announce that I downloaded every movie that won a Golden Globe Award today. I left the computer on when I went out for work and found most all of them downloaded. FUCKTHEMAN!

And that's the reason why Rupert Murdoch is mouthing off. When you see his list of owned companies , you'll know why:


Selected businesses in Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation Media Empire include..

Filmed Entertainment - News Corporation
20th Century Fox
20th Century Fox Espanol
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
20th Century Fox International
20th Century Fox Television
Blue Sky Studios
Fox Searchlight Pictures
Fox Studios Australia
Fox Studios LA
Fox Studios Baja
Fox Television Studios

Television - News Corporation
Fox Broadcasting Company
Fox Sports Australia
Fox Television Stations
FOXTEL
STAR

Cable Television owned by News Corporation
Fox Movie Channel
Fox News Channel
Fox Sports Digital
Fox Sports Enterprises
Fox Sports Espanol
Fox Sports Net
Fox Sports World
FUEL
FX
National Geographic Channel
SPEED Channel
Stats, Inc

Direct Broadcast & Satellite Television - News Corporation
BskyB
DIRECTV
FOXTEL
Sky Italia

Magazines - News Corporation
Inside Out
Donna Hay
News America Marketing
Smart Source
The Weekly Standard
Gemstar

Newspapers - News Corporation
Australasian region Newspapers:
Daily Telegraph
Fiji Times
Gold Coast Bulletin
Herald Sun
Newsphotos
Newspix
Newstext
NT News
Post Courier
Sunday Herald Sun
Sunday Mail
Sunday Tasmanian
Sunday Territorian
Sunday Times
The Advertiser
The Australian
The Courier Mail
The Mercury
The Sunday Mail
The Sunday Telegraph
Weekly Times
United Kingdom region Newspapers:
News International
News of the World
The Sun
The Sunday Times
The Times
Times Education Supplement
Times Higher Education Supplement
Times Literary Supplement
TSL Education
United States region Newspapers:
New York Post

Books - News Corporation
Harper Collins Publishers
- Australia
- Canada
- Childrens Books
- United States
- United Kingdom
Regan Books
Zondervan

Other Investments - News Corporation
MySpace.com Profile
Festival Records
Mushroom Records
National Rugby League - Australia
News Interactive
News Outdoor
Nursery World

[Mamba]

Total BS.

Just another example of an attempt to control the masses.

Computer chips under the skin next.... mmm.. well they started with animals first...

[Josie]

Computer chips under the skin next

New mandatory placement with vaxes. yayy

[Mamba]

New mandatory placement with vaxes. yayy

Maybe they don't even tell you...

[Josie]

Maybe they don't even tell you...

heh. I'm plenty paranoid. o.O