Group Discussion !!

[Josie]

Moron of the morning: Katharine Cook. Why?



Article: http://www.mamamia.com.au/parenting/7-reasons-people-smack-their-kids-and-why-they-are-all-wrong/#

And unless you are a fb friend of mine and I showed up on your homepage when you logged in recently, you probably think I'm hating on retardarita for a lesser reason than I am.

So, first.. I'd like to hear your opinions on Ms. Cook's writing.

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[CrAnIuM]

If a parent is legally responsible, either criminally or civilly, for an under 18 year old person's activities then that parent has the responsibility to discipline the child.

Want to outlaw corporal punishment? Easy ....remove the legal sword of Damocles in the parental arena. If papa is not responsible for Timmah then papa won't hit Timmah. In fact fuck Timmah, the little bastard.


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[Josie]

Making more friends, I see!

[CrAnIuM]

Making more friends, I see!

Yup.

I don't get out much... well, ever.

[CrAnIuM]

And my comments have been removed.

Typical interweb answer queen. Can't handle the truth.

[Scabman]

Before I the google search I did just now, I thought most countries prohibited corporal punishment.
Just 29 countries, and 0 states have outlawed it.


Using violence to teach comes across as pretty weird to me.

[CrAnIuM]

Using violence to teach comes across as pretty weird to me.

It would because you term it as violence.

Folks that see physical discipline as just that do not see it as violence.


In any case, I'm opposed to having kids in the first place before we even have the need to beat the little fucker.

[Gzus]

Fucking hippies.

Kids challenge authority, and should be dealt with accordingly
The rules are simple. If you're gonna be a dick, you'll get beaten.
If you don't want to receive a lashing, don;t be a fucking dick.

If it wasnt for my parents, their friends, and my teachers giving me a well deserved beating every now and then for being a complete asshole and deliberately going against what they told me (for that very reason), I'd have been far worse off today.

It did me good.

[Scabman]

It would because you term it as violence.

Folks that see physical discipline as just that do not see it as violence.

It's probably my soft upbringing that makes me see "deliberate infliction of pain"* as something violent and generally not good.


*quote from wikipedias page on corporal punishment.

[CrAnIuM]

It's probably my soft upbringing that makes me see "deliberate infliction of pain"* as something violent and generally not good.

Then you need to insulate and isolate the child from 100% of media / humanity at large.

Because sure as shit your little fucker is going to be exposed to things contrary to your own liking and contrary to good social order and contrary to non sociopath behavior.

I don't have the magic pill for having and raising kids, but it seems to me if the guvment can regulate HOW to raise the kid down to the nth degree then guvment SHOULD be regulating child rearing at the procreation level.

[Scabman]

Then you need to insulate and isolate the child from 100% of media / humanity at large.

But then it's not up to the media and other people to raise your child, its you. And if you use physical discipline to direct how the child is going to behave, then the child will naturally assume that physical discipline is how you make people around you do as you want.
And then, when the child hits someone at the kindergarten and you again physically discipline him/her for hitting others, the child will get confused.
You dont mold a good moral compass for the kids with the "Do as I say, not as I do" approach.

[CrAnIuM]

You dont mold a good moral compass for the kids with the "Do as I say, not as I do" approach.


Look, IDGAF.

Discipline your kids however you want. After all the LAW says you are responsible for the little freak.

I really do want 99% of the planet sterilized.

And the other 1% to be hermaphrodites.

I want the planet to explode and fling bodies by the millions into the vacuum of space.




See... smacking your kid isn't so bad to think of now is it?

[Scabman]

See... smacking your kid isn't so bad to think of now is it?

You raise a striking point, sir.

[BeeJay]

i don't believe in hitting someone smaller than myself, yet my kids turned out great

[Mamba]

All I can say is:


A vast amount of good research shows that smacking is not as effective as other techniques.


My child is difficult….he doesn’t respond to time out ….he needs a good smack.” If a child has loving caring parents, this excuse doesn’t stack up. I have spent years working with children who have conduct disorders and are really challenging. No expert believes those children are best dealt with by physical punishment, our research tells us otherwise.

Where is this research? Why mention it if you can't back it up?

[Llamageddon]

Surely using violence and/or pain to punish your child just socialises them into thinking that that way of behaving towards people is right? Children learn from adults, especially ones who hold a position of authority over them. The children will learn that "beating is how I learn my lesson, so beating is how everyone learns their lesson". Using corporal punishment will just perpetuate the thought that problems can be solved with a beating. That's not exactly something we need more of in society.

[Zeabot]

I've spanked my daughter, but it is not my preferred way of teaching. It is only a last result -- if she does not learn from explanation or continues to do crazy things, she gets spanked. But by no means do I expect her to learn anything from a spanking except to NOT do something. Like I said, my preferred teaching is explanation. It is amazing what children understand if you can just reason with them.

[Grim_Legion]

south africa in the good old days before the current misguided fake government was big on corporal punishment, we used to have death sentence here for capital crimes, death by hanging. anyway in school there wasn't a week that went by without me being canned for some infraction or other, i cant say it was much of a deterrent, although i can still clearly remember my most painful caning. i lit a smoke up in geography class, i remember the geog teacher was hot, young straight out of teaching college, she freaked and sent me to the principal, who for some reason had just finished playing squash, he made me bend over, grab my ankles and put the back of my head under the edge of his desk, he then proceeded to cane me with the squash racket handle, i lost count after 50, they weren't super hard, but the sheer number was excruciating. i got the fucker back, instigated my mates to help me pick up his car and wedge sideways underneath the stairs. He knew it was me, but couldn't prove it, no witnesses, so he made me sit outside his office every break for the rest of the year. bastard.

[Gzus]

he then proceeded to cane me with the squash racket handle, i lost count after 50, they weren't super hard, but the sheer number was excruciating. i got the fucker back, instigated my mates to help me pick up his car and wedge sideways underneath the stairs. He knew it was me, but couldn't prove it, no witnesses, so he made me sit outside his office every break for the rest of the year. bastard.

And you marked your tie for every stroke you received? We did!
Had more than one tie.
Our technical drawing teacher was the asshole when it came to caning.
Other teachers would give you all your strokes (6 were the most allowed then) in one serving. Mr Latsky didn't. We were a group of troublemakes, usually about 4 or 5 guys. He'd call in the first one, give him one stroke.
Next guy, one stroke.
etc.
By the time its your second turn, your ass is no longer numb.

Sucked a lot.

School - caning
Boarding school - more.
Go home for the weekend - thick, heavy leather belt was waiting for me for the shit we caused the previous weekend. Once that was over -> party-time = more leather belt.

[Grim_Legion]

^ and it never did us any harm, i think i have more discipline the the youth of today, with their fucking pants hanging off their ass and shoe laces undone

[Deadly_Toxin]

I skimmed the article. Personally as a child I was only spanked twice. I learned. It didn't need to be repeated beyond that.

And those times were when I was being a kicking, screaming, red faced 'I want that NOW' brat. Again, I only did that twice. Everything depends on the situation, but there's a big difference between abuse and physical punishment. I wasn't forever scarred, cowering in my room, afraid to say the wrong thing because I could be spanked. The only time I was afraid of it was when it was happening.

Beating your child senselessly because they came home five minutes late or because they didn't do the dishes like you asked is completely different from giving them a tap on the ass because they had a temper tantrum.

[proper stranger]

Then you need to insulate and isolate the child from 100% of media / humanity at large.

That would be nearly impossible.


Because sure as shit your little fucker is going to be exposed to things contrary to your own liking and contrary to good social order and contrary to non sociopath behavior.

Agreed...However, whether you smack the brat or give him a time out, he will become exposed to the same shit.
Personally, I much prefer the non violent forms of punishment.
It takes more time, work and thought to keep a screaming little brat in his/her's time out corner...but that's o.k. A little patience on the parent's part is probably a good thing.

Damn...if I can't out smart a 2, 3, or 4 year old....or even a teenager, as far as that goes, and get them to fly right..then I'm not smart enough to be allowed to use violence in the first place.

It's also nice to have your kids do as you say out of respect, instead of fear.

[Josie]

Parenting 'styles' aside. The biggest beef I have with people like the woman who wrote this article is that *they* have some personal beef with other people and obviously, this must mean that legislation needs to be passed in their favor.

Alright, let's see that through. Super Cunt gets her way and rallies enough toe headed morons to follow her off the cliff. Some politician sees an opportunity and starts tacking on his or her own personal bullshit to said legislation..

Now the foam headed sheep 'get their way' and so do those in power who would absolutely love to further line their pockets in insidious ways.

Lovely!

Personal life does not need to be 'legislated'.

What do I think?

I think that crazy incidents which involve dealing with moral compasses need to be dealt with on a county or state level. And also on a case by case basis. Oh no! There will be favoritism and discrimination!! That's *terrible* !

Guess what. No matter which way you flail, that will happen anyway. Get over it and do your best to care for you and yours.

Do I agree with the article, had she taken out the part about legislation? Meh. She's entitled to her opinion.

But this is the picture she painted for me: No physical involvement unless it is to reward. =/ I definitely do not think beating kids is a positive occurrence, however, I also believe that each family finds its own groove so to speak. And some kids are born evil brats. (Angry fetus, much?). Others are little angels that simply work for your approval (easy kids).

If everyone went about raising their children the exact same way as Dick and Jane, we'd have just as many hellaciously fucked up kids as we do now.

Haha, and it's funny too ! These super hippies preaching peace, love, and cock sucking call for freedom and blah blah blah

..and then call for legislation to get their way... ultimately ending in 1984 style society where there are no freedoms and you can't breathe the wrong way or you might get your ass beat.

Ironic. Yuss yuss. Indeed.