Occupy/99% movement

[Dirty Hippie]

I'm sure you can guess based on my user name how I feel about it but this forum has a much more diverse background than other forums that I read/have read so I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on the Occupy _____ movement.

Do you understand what it's about? Do you agree/disagree with its principles? Do you think it's making any difference? What's next?

I will definitely be following up on this with a (most likely lengthy) reply on my thoughts but I gotta head back to work right now.

[Firestorm]

The occupy movement, at least here in Idaho, has been completely without effect. No one really paid them any attention and the local rednecks don't seem to give a damn. I understand what they are trying to do, but its not going to be effective until they get more than a fringe of the people in this country involved.

[CrAnIuM]

Do you understand what it's about?

From my observation it seems to be about frustration. The source of the frustration changes depending upon the dirty unwashed hippie that is doing the talking.

The formula of keeping the masses quite was disheveled recently, and many more folks than normal have finally realized that almost ALL of us will work until we die. ( except those filthy social welfare for life recipients)

The distribute the wealth crowd needs to take a look and realize that we've been doing it since the 70's and it has done little except create a class of needy bastards because "the system" was designed to give just enough ... but never enough to change one's station. ( see previous mention of the disheveled formula)



Do you agree/disagree with its principles?

Not really. I'm not sure there is one. Also, they seem to be a bunch of clowns milling about doing clownish things.




Do you think it's making any difference?

Nope.




What's next?

Business as usual.




I gotta head back to work right now.

Say what now? You hypocrite !

[Zeabot]

I think in theory I agree with the protestors. However, I feel in practice they are idiots. Perhaps the originators had a good idea, with a sound basis for change. But as it has grown, I get the feeling they have no idea what they want. Secondly, even of the things they know they want, I don't see any productive ideas for change. Just screaming to end big banks is dumb, they might as well occupy wal-mart instead of wall street.

[Dirty Hippie]

I gotta head back to work right now.
Say what now? You hypocrite !

Don't worry, by "work" I mean smoking pot in my drum circle after I cash my welfare check.

I'm glad we both agree that there has been a distribution of wealth going on for decades now, however I think you have the direction of the flow backwards. There was just news released today in fact stating that the number of people living in poverty in the US is at its highest ever. Combine this with the fact that the top 1% of earners more than doubled their share of the nation's income over the last 30 years and it's pretty clear to see that the only redistribution of wealth going on is from the poor on up to the filthy rich.

Income inequality is the problem here, but I believe it's the symptom and not the cause. The cause is greed, plain and simple. Greed to the point of fucking over any and every other person possible in order to add another zero onto their vast wealth that they aren't even going to touch anyways.

There was a point in this country where such greed wasn't even possible. In the early days of this country corporations were very tightly regulated and banks were kept on a short leash. Over the years regulations were eroded (mainly due to all the money in politics), anti-trust laws were weakened practically to death, tax loopholes were created and free trade treaties were created which enabled multinational corporations to ship millions of jobs overseas to take advantage of slave labor elsewhere.

I believe what we're mostly looking for are some new laws and regulations which basically tell the corporations and bankers to not be dicks, since apparently they never learned how to do that on their own growing up.

[CrAnIuM]

hey might as well occupy wal-mart instead of wall street.

I'm thinking if they blocked access to the place were most of the poor bastards shop we would see a lot more hillbilly vs hippie stoner beat downs.

^ IN the case ... WIN!

[CrAnIuM]

he direction of the flow backwards

A dude making $0.0 / hr suddenly getting all the various welfare infused funding is indeed getting a share of the redistributed "wealth".

These days there are far more 'normal' folks on welfare because;

1. The economy blows.

2. People breed like fucking rats. <--- this alone is the biggest money pit there possibly can be.

[CrAnIuM]

I believe what we're mostly looking for are some new laws and regulations which basically tell the corporations and bankers to not be dicks, since apparently they never learned how to do that on their own growing up.

Until the lobbyists GTFO of politics I'm thinking laws such as that will be toothless.

[KommieKat]

Do you understand what it's about?
Yep, sure do and so does this part of the world. We were victimized by Lehman brothers. Recently, HKSB was fined US1B for money laundering, along with Wachovia Bank connected with Mexican drug cartels.



Do you agree/disagree with its principles?

I agree with the priciples. Absolutely. This is world wide. It's a fucking revolution. It's war. It's a wake up call.
This is not just Kent State. This is WORLD WIDE. People are taking notice. People are tired of being ripped off.
People see it's JP Morgan controlling Wall Street controlling US Prez controlling Congress controlling the citizens.

Transparency is needed. Heavy fucking fines, imprisonment and the death penalty for these motherfuckers for crimes they are committed.


Do you think it's making any difference? What's next?

I don't care too much for this echoing repeat thing they are doing. It makes the hippies in the 60's look like rocket scientist, but it is and will make a difference.

Next, the system will fall. Banks will have to go back to a role of serving the people, not ripping them off.
Banks will be accountable for their crimes.


One of my Fav commentators, Max Keiser. I watch this guy EVERY night. Here's one of him pissed:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8sK9gZEUac

[CrAnIuM]

^

I Agree with the anger over the banking industry and their BS rule system.

And hell yes, default on ALL loans, globally, zero balance it all on Friday and start over on Monday.

[Dirty Hippie]

A dude making $0.0 / hr suddenly getting all the various welfare infused funding is indeed getting a share of the redistributed "wealth".

But there's a pretty good chance that the dude is making $0.0 / hr because the guy who is making $5,000 / hr found out he can give himself another million for a bonus if he slashes 500 jobs and makes everyone else work harder to pick up the slack. Believe me, the wealth is flowing to the top. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, despite all of these handouts that you're talking about. It's just the way the system is set up, which is why we need change.

[Zeabot]

another million for a bonus
I fully believe in that quote, too. I believe in paying CEOs and other top execs big bucks, but "big bucks" doesn't need to be millions upon millions of dollars. That is why I hate this "trickle down" bullshit of the Republican assclowns.

[KommieKat]

despite all of these handouts that you're talking about

JP Morgan makes money for the food-stamp program to begin with.

JP Morgan (JPM) is the largest processor of food stamp benefits in the United States. JP Morgan has contracted to provide food stamp debit cards in 26 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. JP Morgan is paid for each case that it handles, so that means that the more Americans that go on food stamps, the more profits JP Morgan makes.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/247234-jp-morgan-profits-from-food-stamp-processing-business

http://seekingalpha.com/article/247234-jp-morgan-profits-from-food-stamp-processing-business

http://seekingalpha.com/article/247234-jp-morgan-profits-from-food-stamp-processing-business