We don't need no faggots defending us ...

[Pud]

... or spreading empire (whichever you choose to believe):

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This badass of a guy asks a serious question with full respect.

And gets booed.

The snively-weasley-pantywaist-smegma-faced Santorum?

Cheered.

Welcome to the U.S. of A.

Fuck all you haters. </object>

[CrAnIuM]

What is the media link? Gimme a full URL and I'll see if I can embed it for you or tell you how its done.


Edit:

HTML and embed scripts are disabled as they pose a hacking hazard. Best practice is use the insert video tool on the tool bar for one of the approved sites. ( if your material can be found there) or link to it directly.

[Pud]

Just changed it to the raw link.

[CrAnIuM]

I was on active duty when the original (Reagan era) and the update (Clinton era) policies were emplaced.

As a professional soldier I was in the business of following legal orders. Those two policies WERE legal as they had Congressional approval and as such no person in uniform had legal recourse to disobey.

Still, as we are human we tend to still carry our personal positions and apply them or withhold them accordingly.

Anyway ..

I had been an NCO for 5 years when the DADT 'program' started, and trying to reconcile truth, honesty, honor, justice, fairness and personal pride was a difficult thing when the CIC was telling troops to live clandestinely. Human nature is such that we naturally want to profess our love when and if we find it. And yet many Troops never had that freedom to do so.

Some mediated, just like knuckle head Santorum did in the CNN video, the issue by saying all troops were required to keep their personal life private.

What a load of bullshit that was, what heterosexual predominate unit ever kept quiet about who was banging whom? None I tell ya.

I'm glad its over. Yup.

[Pud]

Those two policies WERE legal as they had Congressional approval
So does the Patriot Act (have Congressional approval). And so did the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Doesn't make them legal.

If, of course, by legal you mean Constitutional.

Bit of a pickle for an NCO, eh?

[CrAnIuM]

Bit of a pickle for an NCO, eh?

Was.

And I see your point about 'legal' vs 'constitutional'.

Fortunately for me I was never in a position to have to make a decision (or not) to go to a commander because a troop told me he was gay. And in my entire career I know of no other NCO that had to do that either, not in my personal circle of peers and collectively over the years we were responsible for thousands of young men.

But of course it happened because the NEWS told us. And the Pentagon issued training guidance to us in response to it.

A military unit is family, and like in a real family you kinda 'know' if a dude is gay. Or you think you know that you know. <-- Even if you are wrong. You just never said anything about it or discussed it.

[Pud]

Or you think you know that you know.
Operative phrase.

Do you suppose it's possible for a dude to get married and have kids with the misguided notion that doing so will make "everyone" happy, and therefore he won't risk losing everything he values in this world?

[CrAnIuM]

Do you suppose it's possible for a dude to get married and have kids with the misguided notion that doing so will make "everyone" happy, and therefore he won't risk losing everything he values in this world?

Of course I do.

I don't envy anyone those choices. Certainly I've made many tough choices and decisions in my life both professionally and personally but I can't think of one that equates to the one you mention.

[Pud]

The most interesting thing about the "debate" over the last 20 years or so concerning gays in the military is that it was wholly unnecessary until the McCarthyites decided to tie homosexuality to the communist threat. The reason it's viewed by boomers as a "crime against nature" is because of a series of propaganda film clips from the 1950's. I'm sure the creators thought they were doing the right thing by getting everyone to "man up" in a way that would create a more fierce fighting force.

Like most misguided Utopian ideas, their ideal was actually the opposite of the truth. For thousands of years gay and bisexual men served an important social function as warriors who could go on extended (years-long) campaigns without the need for the company of women.

In other words, a man could fulfill his official familial responsibility to marry and carry on the bloodline, but it wasn't necessary to remain trapped in a small box with a shrill shrew. He just needed to spend enough time with her to impregnate her and then go on about his business.

Decidedly straight men (an 8-10 on the Kinsey Scale), for their part, could do the same. The only difference being that they needed a concubine(s). While it was possible to drag these along, it was prohibitively expensive, and only the landed gentry (officers) could afford to do so. It was much easier to just let the poor soldiers rape the conquered villagers. Campaigns, being few and far between, couldn't reliably keep the restive breeders in check and mutiny -- as a result of blue balls -- was always a concern. It was far better to have a plurality of underlings who were willing and able to find sexual relief within the ranks.

Modern warfare requires none of this. There are now hookers on every corner of the planet, as the marauding American armies found out in WWII. Like all massive social shifts, its the minority that finds itself suddenly no longer useful that gets the shaft. And not in the way they wanted it.

[KommieKat]

Like most misguided Utopian ideas, their ideal was actually the opposite of the truth. For thousands of years gay and bisexual men served an important social function as warriors who could go on extended (years-long) campaigns without the need for the company of women.

That be the truth.

People are not aware of this FACT, but your Japanese Bushi were big time Manly homos. Not even your average Japanese is aware of this.

[Pud]

Not even your average Japanese is aware of this.

No need. Men aren't expected to be monogamous. What difference does it make if the mistress has a v or a d?

[surgicalstrike]

Fuck all you haters.


Fuck you fag.

[Firestorm]

The funniest thing, to me, about DADT policy was the only people really targeted for it and the policy behind it were homosexual men. Lesbianism was virtually ignored and until Tailhook, so was sexual harassment. DADT was just more politically correct bullshit. Do they ask if your heterosexual? No. So why the hell does it matter? Homophobes need to get a grip. If you are heterosexual and SECURE in your choice, then stop sweating if the guy in the next shower stall is gay or not. Saying a homosexual can't fight carries about as much weight as saying women can't. If you honestly think a woman/gays can't fight, you need to go to Macy's on Black Friday.

[KommieKat]

Fuck you fag.


Sounds like someone's third grade teacher, Mr. Smith perhaps, touched his pee pee and ever since, has had confusion to his sexual preferences.

[surgicalstrike]

Sounds like someone's third grade teacher, Mr. Smith perhaps, touched his pee pee and ever since, has had confusion to his sexual preferences.


Just because I don't subscribe to the bullshit male on male parades that you lust for doesn't mean I was fucked in the ass like you.

Even if your jap fag fact and pud's 'thousand year whatever' was/is true..it's still not normal. Hey, I read that the cavemen back in the B.C. era got to bend over any woman they wanted and the women didn't mind, in fact they loved it. You could also club dumbfucks such as yourself and pud. Let's bring back the good old days !!

Sounds like you two are trying to justify your oddness with history..the FACT that being gay is a form of retardation escapes you.

In short: STFU and keep sucking those little rice burners off.:yociexp45:

[Josie]

trying to justify your oddness with history..

wow. Perhaps it escapes you that your life is a very small part of what will become history.. and thus, a mere portion of your life will become not even a blip in history (I'm talking instance of time.)... so what you perceive as "normal" due to your cultural upbringing really has nothing to do with reality.

The reason for factual evidence in this thread is self evident.

If you can't see past your own bigotry (or at least step objectively out of it for a period of time), then you really have no business voicing your opinions publicly at all.

[surgicalstrike]

so what you perceive as "normal" due to your cultural upbringing really has nothing to do with reality.

Really ? Perceive eh? Reality is an anus is for getting rid of waste, not for taking large phallus shaped objects like your twat.


you really have no business voicing your opinions publicly at all.

Tear drop.

[Scabman]

it's still not normal.

Is there a thing as a normal human being?
I thought we were all unique beautiful snow flakes.


the FACT that being gay is a form of retardation

Can you cite your source?

[Llamageddon]

Even if your jap fag fact and pud's 'thousand year whatever' was/is true..it's still not normal.

Sounds like you two are trying to justify your oddness with history..the FACT that being gay is a form of retardation escapes you.

I'm going to assume (and hope) that you have documented proof that not being heterosexual is not natural or that it is a form of retardation.

So go on, provide your evidence.

One thing: Homosexuality has been found in just about every species of animal on earth; homophobia is only in one. WHICH is unnatural now?

[Dirty Hippie]

Even if your jap fag fact and pud's 'thousand year whatever' was/is true..it's still not normal.

What is even less normal is the amount of hatred that fills you up when you find out that a dude would rather date another dude. Just calm down man, nobody is saying you have to go out and fuck guys now or anything.

[surgicalstrike]

Can you cite your source?


http://i.imgur.com/QwNLQl.jpg

[surgicalstrike]

WHICH is unnatural now?

wiki-wiki


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTiDO--q9Xg


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gay-brain-science-homosexuality-a-birth-defect/

[Scabman]

http://i.imgur.com/QwNLQl.jpg

That is your source for the "fact" that gay is a form of retardation?
A picture of a gay guy doing something silly?

Can hardly call that a fact, now can you? It's just an observation of one faboulous guy.

[CrAnIuM]

It's just an observation of one faboulous guy.

Unfortunately it seems that the gay "community" has dudes like the one pictured as their spokesman/front-man far too often.

And having flamboyant clown boy as the way to win the hearts and minds of middle America is surely not the best approach when one is preaching that homosexuality is as normal as mom and apple pie.

[Dirty Hippie]

These are white people.
2844


Therefore, being white is a form of racist militarism since my photo is clearly representative of all white people and is thus a valid source.

[Josie]

lol @ black to represent being white >.<

[Josie]

http://thisisphotobomb.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/photobomb-that-guy-white-people.jpg


lol

[Dirty Hippie]

Are you referring to the other 2 pictures at the bottom? I was going to do the same thing for German and Puerto Rican people but then took that part out since I felt it was diluting my message. For some reason they stayed on as attachments even though they're not in the actual post and I can't figure out how to delete them.

My point was that each of those 3 pictures was taken from a "_____ pride parade". Meaning that the people in the pictures feel very strongly about whatever the parade was about and went over the top dramatic in order to show their pride. I can pretty much guarantee that those Germans don't wear traditional garb every day and that Puerto Rican guy doesn't paint his flag on his face every day. The guys from the white pride parade probably dress like that every day, but they're racist scum fuckheads so they don't matter. Now the picture posted of the gay guy was also taken from a gay pride parade. That guy doesn't dress like that every day, nor does he represent all gay people. He's simply a guy who is REALLY proud of the fact that he is gay and is trying to show that pride by acting as gay as humanly possible on the 1 day of the year where that is celebrated. I think he did a pretty good job.

[Josie]

The guys from the white pride parade probably dress like that every day,

Yes ! In black cuz they so proud of their whiteness. Lawlz !!

[surgicalstrike]

I think he did a pretty good job, I'm also a fucking dipshit.

Indeed.