So London enjoys a good riot eh?

[Llamageddon]

London is experiencing a series of riots from various areas in North London to some areas south of the river.

Basically, a man got shot last week in Tottenham, in an attempted arrest by police from Trident (a police force that deals with gun crime in the African and Caribbean communities - how nice...).

A few days later around 300 people arrived outside Tottenham Police Station to demand justice for both the deceased and his family. Later that night, bottles were thrown at two police patrol cars and were set alight. Riot officers were called to the scene but were met with more bottles, fireworks and various other missiles.

The violence continues for the rest of the night, ending in a double-decker bus being burnt out, petrol bombs were thrown at police and buildings & shops were set alight, and looting was reported through the night.

Over the following 2 days (the second of which being today), the riotous attitudes spread into other boroughs ranging from Enfield (in North London) to Brixton (in South London).

tl;dr - Some guy got shot; his community got pissed and protested; riots ensued and other areas thought they'd give it a go.

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I don't know if it's just me, but when a community wishes to protest for change, I feel that the best way to go about it is not to act like petulant, whiny children who can't string a sentence together (unless it's "you're fucking dead mate"). It seems to me as though the rioters have missed out a large chunk of their logic and thought "A man was tragically shot, let's burn other people's shops and destroy more lives and livelihoods".

I am left wondering what people are expecting to happen from all this. What do they want? They want justice for their friend who was (probably) wrongly shot. Attacking policemen, attacking innocent people's homes, shops and causing civil unrest is not going to give them justice. It's going to give them a jail cell and a criminal record.

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Thoughts?

[SlimSkeeter]

We had something similar happen a long time ago in Los Angeles. An african american was brutally beaten by police and for a week the entire city of LA was under mob rule. Looting, fires, rioting, etc were about all we heard on the news. It's amazing the sheer level of violence a group will rise to in response to something that was comparatively miniscule.

My mother once told me of another set of riots in our state capitol (where she lived with her then-husband [who was away at work when the fighting broke out] and their kids at the time). Another racial riot, sadly. A group of large black men showed up at my parents house, knocked politely, and when my mother opened the door they pushed their way in, set up shop at every window and door and sat patiently until the rioting had ended. They then bid my mother and her family a good day and left quietly. They stayed all night protecting that family that they barely knew.

[CrAnIuM]

I am left wondering what people are expecting to happen from all this. What do they want? They want justice for their friend who was (probably) wrongly shot. Attacking policemen, attacking innocent people's homes, shops and causing civil unrest is not going to give them justice. It's going to give them a jail cell and a criminal record.

The bullet riddled thug in question is being 'reported' as being a Gang leader.

If the above is true then your 'protest for change', violent or peaceful is a laughable concept.

See over here it goes like this .. Fuck with the cops and you get a beat down.. or tazed .. or shot in the face.

Don't wanna be tazed, beat or shot? Don't fuck with po po.

[SlimSkeeter]

The bullet riddled thug in question is being 'reported' as being a Gang leader.

If the above is true then your 'protest for change', violent or peaceful is a laughable concept.

True as that may be, I think the larger point she was trying to make was "people need to grow the hell up and knock this crap off, it doesn't help"

[Llamageddon]

The bullet riddled thug in question is being 'reported' as being a Gang leader.

If the above is true then your 'protest for change', violent or peaceful is a laughable concept.

See over here it goes like this .. Fuck with the cops and you get a beat down.. or tazed .. or shot in the face.

Don't wanna be tazed, beat or shot? Don't fuck with po po.


I don't know whether I wasn't clear in my post or not but I think you're missing my point.

My point is that there are some people in London who think it's the best option to take matters into their own hands. They want answers about the man's death, they want an apology and justice for his death, from the police. They want the police to acknowledge that they were most likely in the wrong and unlawfully shot this man*. Which brings me onto saying that rioting is not going to give them these things. It makes them look like violent criminals rather than a concerned community.

*See, over here it goes like this, the police can be challenged when they fuck up.

[Negativecool]

I don't quite understand the confusion of why they rioted or what their purpose/intent was. I find it very easy to understand why people in their situation riot senselessly.
Firstly, the guy deserved it. The situation may not have called for him to eat lead, but let's be honest, he was a shit bag and deserved nothing less than a clip emptied into his fucking ape face. The first time I heard this story they introduced the man killed as "a father of four." Those of us with acumen greater than that of a flea should be able to recognize skewed bullshit when we hear it; and that certainly was skewed bullshit.

But back to the rioters...From what I saw on TV the location was the American equivalent to a Detroit ghetto. Low income neighborhood infested with know-nothing, do-nothing chimps that are forever pissed they weren't given the same opportunities in life as the the people outside their socioeconomic prison. When incidents like the man getting killed happens, no matter how justified, it sends tempers flaring, isolated pockets of violence breaks out, and then mob mentality finally takes over and shit hits the fan.
Venting pent up rage through violence gives these people a sense of power. They have no political power, they have no influence, they have notta. Violent rioting to them is like putting a handgun into the hand of a frail bullied kid. For a moment in time it puts them in the spotlight long enough for their monkey faces to symbolically utter into the shiny bright cameras that are covering the senseless destruction left by them that "we're not gonna take it, no we ain't gonna take it...etc."

Unfortunately, as soon as it starts it's over. Life will return to normal for them and they, hopefully, will stay stuck under the heel of the man forever without further consequence to the good folks whose fates have been chosen to be more privileged.

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Of course I could be entirely wrong, but that's just the impression I got from teh nightly nooz.

[CrAnIuM]

people need to grow the hell up and knock this crap off, it doesn't help"

If that is her point ... and you saw it and parrot it then you BOTH are a bit on the Ar-tard side.


The POINT is that thugs and entire communities of parasite and leeches need to be seen as what they are; a holding facility for the chaff of society.

LITTLE to nothing of any good ever comes from those that are on generation two or three of public sustenance. The area where this civil unrest happened is well known for thuggish behavior ... HIGH ( see 50%) unemployment rates and HIGH (see 3/4th) on public sustenance. <--- These according to the BBC this morning during an interview with the MP and other political dick heads in charge of that region.


You two seem to think that this action MADE them look like thuggish criminal no good shit. I say they were that way as they woke up that morning because THAT is the life they were born into and will perpetuate on to their illegitimate brood.

[CrAnIuM]

My opinions are MY OWN. And are NOT reflective of the membership at large.


Carry on.

[Negativecool]

If that is her point ... and you saw it and parrot it then you BOTH are a bit on the Ar-tard side.


The POINT is that thugs and entire communities of parasite and leeches need to be seen as what they are; a holding facility for the chaff of society.

LITTLE to nothing of any good ever comes from those that are on generation two or three of public sustenance. The area where this civil unrest happened is well known for thuggish behavior ... HIGH ( see P) unemployment rates and HIGH (see 3/4th) on public sustenance. <--- These according to the BBC this morning during an interview with the MP and other political dick heads in charge of that region.


You two seem to think that this action MADE them look like thuggish criminals no good shit. I say they were that way as they woke up that morning because THAT is the life they were born into and will perpetuate on to their illegitimate brood.
Yes

[Wenis]

I hope all this has finished by the time I get home.

Silly people stealing stuff and ruining things. None of them care about the black guy who got shot, they care about getting a new TV.

[SlimSkeeter]

and you saw it and parrot it then you BOTH are a bit on the Ar-tard side.

Bit personal there. Lick my salty balls.



You two seem to think that this action MADE them look like thuggish criminal no good shit. I say they were that way as they woke up that morning because THAT is the life they were born into and will perpetuate on to their illegitimate brood.

You assume I agreed with the postulate. My thought is that every part of society is wired this way and not just the chaff.

Hurricane Katrina hit and people from every venue were looting (although if they were white, it was called "doing what they needed to do to survive").

9/11 happened and this entire country went ape-shit insane wanting to level half the globe in retaliation, and even now so-called Christian groups call for blood at every turn.

LA riots, the whole city turned upside down.

Fuck, a damn HOCKEY team wins the Stanley Cup and the WINNING city riots in CELEBRATION of the fact.

I don't have ANY faith in humanity as a whole. Our entire species has bred for overreaction to stimulus for far too long. Christ, look what happened after we split the atom.... US and USSR ended up racing to see how many nukes they could build, trying to out-do each other, and finally got the the point of mutually assured destruction SEVERAL TIMES OVER with their collective arsenals.

Small groups can and do often do good things for each other and others... Large groups with a mob mentality tend to opt for a destructive course. I sometimes think that the only reason humanity has not self-destructed yet is the fact that we live on several different continents and not one single landmass.

[CrAnIuM]

I love Anti law enforcement clowns !!

The UK media says this is all started because the Po Po were too strong armed in handling the dead dirt bag case.

NOW they say the Po Po is NOT being forceful enough nor providing enough security and there are now calls for military involvement.


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This is the way it always is from those types of people.

" I hate the Police" "Don't snitch" " See a cop warn a brotha"

THEN .. BAM!


" Oh dear god .. somebody call the police .... help me help me! "

[SlimSkeeter]

This is the way it always is from those types of people.

" I hate the Police" "Don't snitch" " See a cop warn a brotha"

THEN .. BAM!

A friend of mine just told me that her fiance had this attitude... Absolute scum, if you ask me. He'd let his own kid get abused and neglected and still wouldn't make a call. <~~~ more reason for a hatred of human kind.

[Mamba]

Absolute scum, if you ask me. He'd let his own kid get abused and neglected and still wouldn't make a call. <~~~ more reason for a hatred of human kind.

KIIIIIIIIIIILL HIM.

Seriously.

[Grim_Legion]

come to South Africa, we will show you what real riots are about, and how police respond to them with live ammo ..

[CrAnIuM]

[Rambling thought]

I live in a rural setting, and have plans to ALWAYS live in such a place.

IF / WHEN there are riots / civil unrest / mass hysteria that happens within earshot of my residence then fortunately for me the situation has truly devolved in to monumental chaos and loss of the rule of law.

I say 'fortunately' because the hardest thing about a combat situation is making the decision to kill. Sure, its easy when there is an exchange of gunfire but it becomes hard when one is trying to decide intent from a seemingly undecided enemy. In my case under a rule of law lapse I will respond to all incursion on to my property as a potential nefarious one. And as now, I will respond to my MSD1 (minimum safe distance) around my home as a deadly force zone.

Can one dude defend a home against 100, 200 ..etc lawless thugs? Maybe not indefinitely, but in the defense one plans for being able to hold out long enough to make it a very costly activity for the bad guy.

Can YOUR house keep you safe from 4 or 5 dudes trying to enter at the same time? Are you a gun owner? If you are a gun owner are you trained in the deadly use of that weapon and mentally prepared to watch a person die by your hands?

Yeah .. thought not.


I will NEVER be labeled as that "helpless victim". I see all home invasions ( and by extension a mob on my property) as a purpose driven machine intent on killing me. <--- That may very well happen but I have no intent to allow it while I still have the means to resist.

When it really comes down to it the answer is YOU or THEM.


[/Rambling thought]

[TopGrey]

Man, I gotta start visiting more often...I miss GDP's fairly well written comments. To your above questions about personal property protection I can say yes to all (and up to a possible 10 invaders as my whole family is able to use most weapons at hand). One step further, get yourself ready to be the go to guy in your community that can fix automobiles, you can do home construction fairly well, you can install electrical/plumbing, plant and maintain a garden and livestock/poultry, because being able to do these things will make you valuable when society collapses and you are forced to barter.

[SittinGrumpy]

Man, I gotta start visiting more often

No shit!

[KommieKat]

[Rambling thought]

This was actually very well written but on the other hand, it's such a shame you folks have to preoccupy your thoughts and actions in this manner.

Us ex-pats need only plan out whether it will be a week or two in Thailand or maybe Vietnam...

In other words, we are real happy to be living out here. kthxbye

[Mamba]

I miss GDP's fairly well written comments.

Oh Sir, why do you flatter so?

[Mamba]

If that is her point ... and you saw it and parrot it then you BOTH are a bit on the Ar-tard side.


The POINT is that thugs and entire communities of parasite and leeches need to be seen as what they are; a holding facility for the chaff of society.

LITTLE to nothing of any good ever comes from those that are on generation two or three of public sustenance. The area where this civil unrest happened is well known for thuggish behavior ... HIGH ( see 50%) unemployment rates and HIGH (see 3/4th) on public sustenance. <--- These according to the BBC this morning during an interview with the MP and other political dick heads in charge of that region.

You two seem to think that this action MADE them look like thuggish criminal no good shit. I say they were that way as they woke up that morning because THAT is the life they were born into and will perpetuate on to their illegitimate brood.

Hmmmmmmm


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025068/Revealed-middle-class-rioters-The-aspiring-musician-organic-chef-millionaires-daughter-dock-accused-looting.html

[Mamba]

If that is her point ... and you saw it and parrot it then you BOTH are a bit on the Ar-tard side.


The POINT is that thugs and entire communities of parasite and leeches need to be seen as what they are; a holding facility for the chaff of society.

LITTLE to nothing of any good ever comes from those that are on generation two or three of public sustenance. The area where this civil unrest happened is well known for thuggish behavior ... HIGH ( see 50%) unemployment rates and HIGH (see 3/4th) on public sustenance. <--- These according to the BBC this morning during an interview with the MP and other political dick heads in charge of that region.

You two seem to think that this action MADE them look like thuggish criminal no good shit. I say they were that way as they woke up that morning because THAT is the life they were born into and will perpetuate on to their illegitimate brood.

Hmmmmmmm


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025068/Revealed-middle-class-rioters-The-aspiring-musician-organic-chef-millionaires-daughter-dock-accused-looting.html

[TopGrey]

Oh Sir, why do you flatter so?

Twas not really flattery....more like straight forward ass-kissing.....

[CrAnIuM]

Hmmmmmmm


Yes?


Did I say that the mob was comprised solely of the destitute? No.

Do I think that the mob was comprised of people that were solely from those communities. No. (not after day one for sure )

Yes .. even here in the US we have dumb fuck young kids (upper teens to very early 20's) that have some sort of weird fetish with hood life. To include fresh young, affluent white kids that get all ghetto in order to piss off daddy. Or better yet .. the idealist upper class kid that thinks he's helping bring social change with him to the Hood each time he visits. Or lastly and simply .. shitbags can be found everywhere just not in as concentrated a form as the loser neighborhoods I spoke of.


I stand by my statements thanks.

[Mamba]

shitbags can be found everywhere just not in as concentrated a form as the loser neighborhoods I spoke of.


Yep!