Sexual abuse charges... too harsh?

[Violet]

This may be the first time in my life I've ever heard anyone question whether or not a sentencing on sexual abuse charges may be TOO harsh.


Here's the story:
A judge sentenced Jon White to 12 years for molesting two of his students while he taught in Normal. That sentence will run back to back with his 48-year sentence he got in Champaign County earlier this month for abusing eight of them. He won't be eligible for parole until the year 2037. The judge in this case heard two days of testimony and from Jon White himself before making this decision. White said he had talked with murders in prison that say they felt no remorse for their crimes and that he was different. Much like in Champaign County, he apologized to his victim's parents and asked the judge to give him a shot at being a productive member of society sometime down the line. In the end, defense attorneys say White didn't abuse the girls like the prosecution says he did. "He was convicted of putting a banana in a child's mouth for sexual gratification.” Says defense attorney Carol Dison “There was no physical contact between Mr. White and those children." Assistant States Attorney Kim Campbell disagrees. "They knew.” She says, “They're too young to have known the full implication, but they knew that this was wrong. They felt weird about it, they were scared." She says. After his remarks, the judge said White still hadn't accepted all of the responsibility for his actions, and the assistant state's attorney handling this case agrees. "Although the defendant did express remorse.. it was imperfect remorse.” She says, “Because while we believe he was contrite today, he has never accepted full responsibility in terms of admitting he has a problem and the he sexually fantasized about children." White's defense team says they plan to appeal the judge's ruling. Either way, both cases in Champaign and McLean counties have reached their last phase.

(Directly quoted from http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=12960)



Yeah, so to sum it up, this local school teacher would get his kicks from watching little girls lick bananas. The dude is a pervert, obviously. No one is arguing that.

This guy has been sentenced to 60 years, total. When the story was initially released, the news made it out to be that this teacher had been busted for blindfolding girls and making them "lick the banana." Now it turns out the phrase was quite literal. While I was quick to dismiss the story as yet another way the world was fucked, and glad to see the teacher was busted for being a sick little monkey, I was surprised to hear people questioning the harshness of his sentence. Now it has me wondering.

So.. is 60 years too harsh a sentence for a school teacher who did not actually physically touch these children sexually?

[CrAnIuM]

So.. is 60 years too harsh a sentence for a school teacher who did not actually physically touch these children sexually?


Yes. And .... No.

60 years is too long for me to wait to enact proper parentally applied justice.


If my child comes home and tells me that some dude ( or chic ) has forced or coerced him (her) into a lewd or age inappropriate
act Mr. Gary WILL NOT be going to the police with this information.

Mr.Gary will be making a clandestine 0200 visit to the Pervs address and having a face to face chat with him/her.

Why ?

Because the court system invariably fucks it up nearly every time. I would make it short and sweet with no loss of tax dollars,
I would either remove the pervs desire to perform these acts again ... or remove their desire to breath.

[Pinkslit]

The children said they were frightened at the time, he admits he has a problem, he admits sexually fantacizing about children and he exploited children while in a position of trust for his own sexual gratification...the term is not excessive regardless of whether there was physical contact or not.

[Violet]

Yes. And .... No.

60 years is too long for me to wait to enact proper parentally applied justice.


True enough.. and as a parent I completely agree with you.


But allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment.

Isn't it possible that this man would have never come to the point of actually physically sexually abusing children? Had the man been thrown out of his teaching position, and even served some time, isn't it possible that he could have become a productive member of society later?


There are a whole lot of other slimebags that don't get nearly that amount of sentencing.


(On a personal note, I don't really care whether or not the sentencing is just. I'm just glad to know that a potential child molester is off the streets, but that's besides the point.)

[Bunnee]

If the offender went as far as coercing a small child into enacting sexual acts, then whats stopping him from acting upon his perverted urges and raping them the next time?

60 years isnt nearly enough.

If only all judges were as 'harsh'.

[CrAnIuM]

But allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment.

Isn't it possible that this man would have never come to the point of actually physically sexually abusing children? Had the man been thrown out of his teaching position, and even served some time, isn't it possible that he could have become a productive member of society later?





The USA has approximately 370 million muldunes .....

What exactly does 'productive member of society' mean ?

Will he be used for attack dog training ? That's productive.

Anything else but that and its a waste of space and time, we have 9 bazillion other motherfuckers fighting
for jobs and normalcy and have no business trying to train the perversion out of an asshole like the guy in question.

We don't need a scum bag fledgling molester in our ranks regardless of the rehabilitation potential.

[suki]

I agree that 60 years is too harsh a punishment...

but I also don't see this guy ever "fixing his problem."

once a pedophile (wannabe or not)...always a pedophile. its been proven.

perhaps the law is now recognizing this and just throwing the fuckers away...

[Severina]

True enough.. and as a parent I completely agree with you.


But allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment.

Isn't it possible that this man would have never come to the point of actually physically sexually abusing children? Had the man been thrown out of his teaching position, and even served some time, isn't it possible that he could have become a productive member of society later?


There are a whole lot of other slimebags that don't get nearly that amount of sentencing.


(On a personal note, I don't really care whether or not the sentencing is just. I'm just glad to know that a potential child molester is off the streets, but that's besides the point.)

There has to be more to the story than this? The man must have exposed himself or was masturbating otherwise l can see no point in the blindfold or the sentence given.

l remember whilst at school myself and others being blindfolded and tasting various fruits to see if we could identify them. There was nothing sexual to this so the man in question must have been doing something otherwise there was no case to answer?

[funeeman]

I agree that 60 years is too harsh a punishment...

but I also don't see this guy ever "fixing his problem."

once a pedophile (wannabe or not)...always a pedophile. its been proven.

perhaps the law is now recognizing this and just throwing the fuckers away...

bingo!!

[Severina]

I agree that 60 years is too harsh a punishment...

but I also don't see this guy ever "fixing his problem."

once a pedophile (wannabe or not)...always a pedophile. its been proven.

perhaps the law is now recognizing this and just throwing the fuckers away...

The 'wannabe' is guilty because of 'thoughts' alone?

lf one is looking at images, downloading images, on chat sites with children, he/she is a paedophile by legal definition.

[Josie]

Not long enough. <-- Fact.

[InterStella]

....scum bag fledgling molester....



^^^ Sums it up for me.

For people like him, the only way is forward. His 'condition', if you like, would undoubtedly lead to rape.

Bang the fucker up, and see how HE fucking feels when some big bloke tells him to "lick THIS banana".

[Jenn]

Not a harsh sentence at all. It should have been longer.

You never know if he would have acted upon any urges. Making those children lick banannas was just the beginning. Next those banannas could have gone somewhere else...

When it comes to taking pedophiles off the streets and away from children, 60 years and up in Jail is WONDERFUL. I just hope he's having his shitpacked.

[dunamis]

I don't understand the reasoning behind the arguments in this thread at all.

Unless you agree with giving life sentences to people who steal packs of gum from the store (because stealing small things could lead to larger-scale robbery and eventually murder), you can't really argue that a man should be put away for 60 years for what he might have done.

I agree with Severina; there must have been circumstances that we don't know about for this to be at all justifiable.

[CrAnIuM]

I don't understand the reasoning behind the arguments in this thread at all.

Unless you agree with giving life sentences to people who steal packs of gum from the store (because stealing small things could lead to larger-scale robbery and eventually murder), you can't really argue that a man should be put away for 60 years for what he might have done.

I agree with Severina; there must have been circumstances that we don't know about for this to be at all justifiable.

Don't give me that bullshit. You fucking liberals and your reasoning piss me off.

A child's welfare and a pack of gum do not fucking equate.


That Dude fucked with the sanctity of a child's innocence. The world is fucked as it is with out having to learn about it before the age of understanding.

In Gary's world child molesters and exploiters of the young will all die a lonely horrible death. NO fanfare .. no appeals .. no storage for decades.

[dunamis]

Don't give me that bullshit. You fucking liberals and your reasoning piss me off.

A child's welfare and a pack of gum do not fucking equate.


That Dude fucked with the sanctity of a child's innocence. The world is fucked as it is with out having to learn about it before the age of understanding.

In Gary's world child molesters and exploiters of the young will all die a lonely horrible death. NO fanfare .. no appeals .. no storage for decades.

Whoa, easy on calling me a liberal. I'm about as politically apathetic as they come, and I make my decisions on my own.

If you believe what you're saying, you must believe by default the following things:

A. Michael Jackson should get a life sentence because the child that he dangled out the window could have died.
B. Anyone who gives a girl (or guy) a slap on the ass without permission must serve a mandatory sixty years in prison for what that slap might have led to.
C. Anyone smoking marijuana should be charged with dealing heroin, because marijuana can lead to heavier drug use (which also leads to dealing, which coincidentally leads to "the violation of innocence").

Not believing any of those things after your previous reasoning would be self-contradictory. Charging people for what they might have done is a bad road to go down.

[Pinkslit]

Charging people for what they might have done is a bad road to go down.

He was charged for admitting there were sexual connations behind his actions.

[Severina]

He was charged for admitting there were sexual connations behind his actions.

ls that 'aggravated criminal sexual abuse' in lllinois?

[CrAnIuM]

Whoa, easy on calling me a liberal. I'm about as politically apathetic as they come, and I make my decisions on my own.

If you believe what you're saying, you must believe by default the following things:

A. Michael Jackson should get a life sentence because the child that he dangled out the window could have died.
B. Anyone who gives a girl (or guy) a slap on the ass without permission must serve a mandatory sixty years in prison for what that slap might have led to.
C. Anyone smoking marijuana should be charged with dealing heroin, because marijuana can lead to heavier drug use (which also leads to dealing, which coincidentally leads to "the violation of innocence").

Not believing any of those things after your previous reasoning would be self-contradictory. Charging people for what they might have done is a bad road to go down.


No.

Sexual abuse is it's own animal and as such can and should be considered independent of all those other things you include.

I was beaten repeatedly as a child. Beaten to the point of unconsciousness on many occasions. Beaten so often that I thought it was a normal part of how to end a day. Still ... what I went through is but a shadow of the damage that a child that goes through sexual predation endures.

You may spin your words all you want in the pursuit of "fairness" of law.

I choose to use a rusty spoon to scoop the eyeballs from every fucking child porn freak, pedophile in training, lowlife scum, on Earth.

Good luck on your quest, Captain Law.

[Pinkslit]

ls that 'aggravated criminal sexual abuse' in lllinois?

I have no idea, but if it isn't then it should be.

[Severina]

I have no idea, but if it isn't then it should be.

The law is there not only to prosecute the guilty but to protect the innocent.

lndiscriminate use of the law then endangers the innocent and by the innocent l mean you, GDP, me and everyone else here. l agree with Dunamis, all l've seen so far is people acting on emotion.

lf laws are used indiscriminately and they are contested in a higher court and subsequently found to be unlawful, it would then mean people who are like this sick pervert then walk free. No-one wants that, do they?

[CrAnIuM]

The law is there not only to prosecute the guilty but to protect the innocent.

lndiscriminate use of the law then endangers the innocent and by the innocent l mean you, GDP, me and everyone else here. l agree with Dunamis, all l've seen so far is people acting on emotion.

lf laws are used indiscriminately and they are contested in a higher court and subsequently found to be unlawful, it would then mean people who are like this sick pervert then walk free. No-one wants that, do they?



Next time some dude rapes a five year old in your neighborhood I hope you and dunamis rush out in support of due process.

Good for you.

[Pinkslit]

l agree with Dunamis, all l've seen so far is people acting on emotion.


If the laws and sentencing were adequate then people would have no need to be so emotional over crimes like this.

[HerCUNTness]

Not soo fast! I agree .. if there is cause then he is fair game.. might as well sell a permit and bank the $ off the people willin to hunt the molester...

But! If all he did was make them eat a banana seductively? the kids felt weird b/c they had to do so seductively. I'm assuming slowly and deep throating the banana before they could eat it ? yes, this would make me feel strange having a teacher watch me slowly eat a banana. The sexual conection wouldn't be there for the child. Thats an adult thing.

#1 he didn't touch the child
#2 he had them eat healthy ( a lawyer would fight for this)
#3 its a child and can't be held responsible for themselves or their remarks.

60 years? I think its too much. Had he TOUCHED someone... molested.. or otherwise invade their personal space.. YESS! I'm with you in the lynching... but this one? No.... the sentence is to high. he will be put in with other molesters in a special unit ( not general public) and he will learn how to do much worse ....
His teacher paycheck kept him from going further.. now that thats gone... he has nothing but a felon on his record ( when he gets out) andNOTHING going for him. BUT! he does have his newfound knowledge of being imprisoned and all of what his fellow inmates have taught him.

He will be more a threat when he gets out than he is now.

[Violet]

There has to be more to the story than this? The man must have exposed himself or was masturbating otherwise l can see no point in the blindfold or the sentence given.
The blindfold was apparently used in a taste-testing game. He would blindfold the students and have them lick various ice cream toppings off and they would have to guess the flavor.

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/04/04/news/doc47f666592ad2c727659811.txt <-- Another article on the subject.

From the article:
'White designed what has become known as the “taste-testing game” at the Normal school, said Rietz.

White was caught viewing adult pornography on his classroom computer at Hoose before he was allowed to resign with a letter of recommendation.

Later, evidence was found that showed White may have been looking at child pornography on his home computer.

Defense attorney Brett Olmstead made it clear in his arguments that the allegations against White involved the teacher blindfolding students and asking them to lick various toppings from a banana. Later, White performed a sexual act in the classroom with scarves and blindfolds the children had worn during the tasting game, said Olmstead.

Calling White “a master manipulator, a deceiver and a betrayer of trust,” Olmstead said the case against White varies from other sexual abuse cases because the children did not perform any sexual acts.'

[Josie]

No.

Sexual abuse is it's own animal and as such can and should be considered independent of all those other things you include.

I was beaten repeatedly as a child. Beaten to the point of unconsciousness on many occasions. Beaten so often that I thought it was
a normal part of how to end a day. Still ... what I went through is but a shadow of the damage that a child that goes through sexual predation endures.

You may spin your words all you want in the pursuit of "fairness" of law.

I choose to use a rusty spoon to scoop the eyeballs from every fucking child porn freak, pedophile in training, lowlife scum, on Earth.

Good luck on your quest, Captain Law.

Completely agree.

Dunamis, apparently you've never lived through predation or known someone close to you who has. It's something that affects the "victim" for a very, very long time... and it's extremely difficult to deal with.

So, you and your "marijuana to heroin" bullshit can step right off that high horse of yours and play ball down here at my level. You're trying to be clinical about something that can't be packaged, tied with a pretty bow, and stamped out the same every damn time.


Not soo fast! I agree .. if there is cause then he is fair game.. might as well sell a permit and bank the $ off the people willin to hunt the molester...

But! If all he did was make them eat a banana seductively? the kids felt weird b/c they had to do so seductively. I'm assuming slowly and deep throating the banana before they could eat it ? yes, this would make me feel strange having a teacher watch me slowly eat a banana. The sexual conection wouldn't be there for the child. Thats an adult thing.

#1 he didn't touch the child
#2 he had them eat healthy ( a lawyer would fight for this)
#3 its a child and can't be held responsible for themselves or their remarks.

60 years? I think its too much. Had he TOUCHED someone... molested.. or otherwise invade their personal space.. YESS! I'm with you in the lynching... but this one? No.... the sentence is to high. he will be put in with other molesters in a special unit ( not general public) and he will learn how to do much worse ....
His teacher paycheck kept him from going further.. now that thats gone... he has nothing but a felon on his record ( when he gets out) andNOTHING going for him. BUT! he does have his newfound knowledge of being imprisoned and all of what his fellow inmates have taught him.

He will be more a threat when he gets out than he is now.

You. Are. Retarded.

A four year old understands sexual gestures and that they are "not right".

Oh, and as for your sad story that he was just a teacher on a small income and will be a dirty brute when he gets out... uh, well.... what the fuck would you prefer we do with our criminals?

Slap 'em on the wrist, keep it off their record (so they can keep/get a job), and say "now don't do it again" - all because it could hurt their rep

??

:yociexp109:

Jail was never intended to be pleasant... though it often is, moreso than it should be. You act like a douchebag, you live like a douchebag. Oh well.

[Shade]

My first reaction would be to kill the guy. That being said, here are my thoughts.

He didnt have sex with them, he didnt touch them, though what he did society agreed was wrong. What if he just gave them banana's and didnt blind fold them. What if he just gave them banana's. What if they ate them on their own and he got aroused by that. Sure it's not a very acceptable though, is he doing any harm at that point? Maybie, maybie the people can sense it. What if he went home and wacked it to the idea of one of his students bringing a banana to school and eating it. Where i'm going with this is, it's a case of where you draw the line. yea i think 60 years is kinda harsh for having a kid eat a banana.

It's kinda akin to muder. How many times have we threatened to kill someone? Did we? Are we to be held responsable for every time we think it? If i pull a gun on someone should i be punshed the same if i decided not to use it? Sure it was wrong and he should get punished, but what does that say to the next guy? Sure you would feel like shit if he got out in 5 years and had another girl eat a banana, but would you be ok with the next guy who does this, and says fuck it, might as well give her the real banana, and just kill her off, because i have a better chance to get away?

Intent to murder isn't the same as murder. That usually isnt for lack of trying. The fact is the guy isnt dead. I'm no fan of child molesters. And i do recgonize that there isnt a cure to it. It's kinda like alcoholism. There are some that have learned to live a life where they die before they do it again. But hey, what do i know.

[Pinkslit]

Yeh, yeh, yeh...maybe the truth is catching him up.

Parent Speaks out against Jon White
Reported by: Jenny Gastwirth WCIA 3
Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 @10:07pm CST

Jennifer Reynolds' daughter told her four years ago something didn't feel right in the classroom. Now after everything that's happened, she wishes she did more. Reynolds says for the longest time she was tricked into thinking she was imagining something. Her daughter talked about White tickling her back in 2003, but the school said he was a teacher they'd trust with their own kids and nothing was wrong. Turns out it was administrators at Colene Hoose Elementary in Normal who were wrong. Reynolds says they missed the signs White couldn't be trusted. Her daughter tells stories of him picking female students one-by-one during story time and sitting them on his feet as he read. She also hinted at how he'd rub them inappropriately. Reynolds knew something was wrong and called White on the phone only to be talked out of trusting her gut. "He also stated 'I'm just a big fun loving guy." "A big teddy bear," he said. He went on to explain what she was accusing him of was "serious stuff." "This could go on my record and I don't want it to go on my record," she recalls him saying. "So I mean I was pretty much talked out of feeling like the red flags were going up and then all of a sudden it's like okay maybe I'm making a false accusation," added Reynolds.

Reynolds wishes she took her worries to the district. She says then maybe White wouldn't have abused two students in Normal and eight others in Urbana.

Her reason for talking now is simple. She says awareness is key to prevention and she doesn't want other parents to put their children at risk if they feel teachers are acting outside of their boundaries.

[Assinhat]

^ Yup.
He hasn't actually commited a crime deserving 60 years yet.
What he did is fucked up, and he'll most likely do worse in the future, but tossing someone in the clink for that long based on most likely or "never accept[ing] full responsibility in terms of admitting he has a problem" is a little draconian.
If I were a judge that's how I'd see it.

Fortunately i'm not a judge, so I say chop his balls off and feed them to his mother.

[dunamis]

Completely agree.

Dunamis, apparently you've never lived through predation or known someone close to you who has. It's something that affects the "victim" for a very, very long time... and it's extremely difficult to deal with.

So, you and your "marijuana to heroin" bullshit can step right off that high horse of yours and play ball down here at my level. You're trying to be clinical about something that can't be packaged, tied with a pretty bow, and stamped out the same every damn time.


You're absolutely right. My aunt was definitely not brutally raped by six men when she was in the army, and she hasn't gone through a lifetime of psychological issues because of it.

Emotion does not factor into decisions that need to be made logically. Of course I think sexual predators are revolting, but it doesn't matter. We have laws in place for a reason. Offenses carry their respective penalties. Want to lobby to change the laws? Fine. If you're going to make spur-of-the-moment decisions based on spur-of-the-moment emotional responses, however, I can only hope that you don't end up in a position of power, because I don't want to live in a country where laws don't mean anything.

In other words, THIS MAN WAS IMPRISONED FOR SIXTY YEARS BECAUSE HE WATCHED A CHILD EAT A BANANA.

edit: I'm ending my participation in the conversation there.

Emotion:Logic::Religion: Evolution.

No need to go down that road.

[Pinkslit]

THIS MAN WAS IMPRISONED FOR SIXTY YEARS BECAUSE HE WATCHED A CHILD EAT A BANANA.


Rubbish. He was imprisoned for 60 years because he has a history of getting his sexual gratification from children.
What is worse, he was a Teacher, in a position to compel children to do as he desired.
Just shoot the filthy bastard and end any controversy.

[Violet]

edit: I'm ending my participation in the conversation there.

Pity.

That's the problem with this case. I see the logic behind what you're saying.

On the one hand, it's a blessing this guy was pulled off the streets before he did any major psychological damage to these little girls. A huge part of me wants to breathe a sigh of relief, especially due to the fact that this man was a teacher. He's obviously a pervert and has no business being in such close proximity to children and in such a trusted position, being left alone with dozens of kids every day.

Whew! Yeah, fuck that guy.

But...
part of me also wants to try to view it objectively. Sure, he pled guilty. I'm sure he was told by his lawyer that it would be in his best interest if he wanted a lower sentence. From a purely legal standpoint, it amazes me that he was given such a harsh judgment (in comparison to other child molesters,) and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he appeals his case and receives a lower sentence later.

To be fair, I think ALL child molesters get off pretty light. Personally, I think maybe 60 years isn't harsh, but should be the standard for ANYONE who pleads guilty to charges such as these, and we can work our way up to double or triple life sentences plus castration and slow, painful torture for people who actually do make sexual physical contact with a child.

[Pinkslit]

Violet, I think you are right, on appeal this sentence will probably be dramatically reduced because on the face of it, it does appear harsh.
We must remember though, 2 different Judges were involved in the sentencing, each giving him 6 years for each charge out of a maximum of 7 years for this type of crime.
I have the feeling more charges are pending and I don't think we have heard the last of Jon White.

[Shade]

I think the problem with this thread and argument, is that anyone who says he doesnt deserve 60 years is basicly looked at as a child preditor lover. I agree with dumass, he watched a kid eat a banana, he got 60 years for that. those are the facts. now my question is if he had a history of this, why was he a teacher? Or are we saying that now that now anyone who says he did it to them to is that history? I believe that there where probly more, however this isnt a question of right or wrong, its a question of how wrong. I think its retarded to stick to the 'he's a child preditor kill him'. that kind of mob mentality has proven to fuck everyone over.

Question, if i told a 25 yearold girl to eat a banana and got excited about the idea, with the intention of having perverted thoughts, would you accuse me of rape? I get that there is a differnce because it is a kid, and they dont know any better, but say that was a retard, it defently seems wrong and inapproprate to do to a child, but i don't see it as the same thing as molesting the kids.

[Pinkslit]

I think the problem with this thread and argument, is that anyone who says he doesnt deserve 60 years is basicly looked at as a child preditor lover. I agree with dumass, he watched a kid eat a banana, he got 60 years for that. those are the facts. now my question is if he had a history of this, why was he a teacher? Or are we saying that now that now anyone who says he did it to them to is that history? I believe that there where probly more, however this isnt a question of right or wrong, its a question of how wrong. I think its retarded to stick to the 'he's a child preditor kill him'. that kind of mob mentality has proven to fuck everyone over.

Question, if i told a 25 yearold girl to eat a banana and got excited about the idea, with the intention of having perverted thoughts, would you accuse me of rape? I get that there is a differnce because it is a kid, and they dont know any better, but say that was a retard, it defently seems wrong and inapproprate to do to a child, but i don't see it as the same thing as molesting the kids.

He wasn't charged as a sex predator(although that was the original charge) but as a sexual deviant.

He was a teacher until he was investigated and further allegations were made. If a serial killer was caught and then investigated, and he was found to be tied to prior killings, wouldn't this be classified as "a history"?

My question to you is;
If this case wasn't to be treated seriously why was the defense asking for 4 years on each charge...a total of 32 years for the first 8 girls?
That in itself suggests the gravity of his offending by his own lawyers.

[Bunnee]

Shade, how can you even comparatively liken a 25 year old to a 5 year old?

You know theres so much difference between them.

The fact remains while he didnt physically rape them, he psychologically did. 5 year olds dont know the extremity of such things, A 25 year old woman, however would know the exact reason why you ask her to eat a banana.

I believe, that ALL child molesters should get the same sentence.

Physical castration and life behind bars. The end. No questions asked. Period.

[Pinkslit]

The filthy asshole ADMITTED to molesting different 7-8 year old girls TEN times.
Is he to be punished for only the first girl and the other nine are to be freebies? Fuck that!!! Do the crime ten times, then do the time ten times.
This thread is starting to piss me off immensely.

[Severina]

Next time some dude rapes a five year old in your neighborhood I hope you and dunamis rush out in support of due process.

Good for you.

Yes, l'd prefer due process used as it was meant to be in the cold light of day. Why? ... because l have no faith in mob rule, in the streets or in courts. There's a case where a mob attacked the home of someone who they'd identified as a paedophile when in fact the mob had totally misunderstood ... he was a pediatrician!

Mob rule runs on hatred, vengeance and stupidity. At no time in this thread have l defended this Jon White and his kind but that doesn't matter does it? You assumed l did and thats good enough for you.

l will post no more in this thread.

[Josie]

The filthy asshole ADMITTED to molesting different 7-8 year old girls TEN times.
Is he to be punished for only the first girl and the other nine are to be freebies? Fuck that!!! Do the crime ten times, then do the time ten times.
This thread is starting to piss me off immensely.

What are you doing?? This is about A BANANA, not some silly little girls.

:laluot_08:

[Polar Bear]

I hope the bannana is getting proper care and counceling.

[suki]

oh for fucks sake.

shut up, already...

ALL OF YOU!

[suki]

...and lick my peach.

[Shade]

He wasn't charged as a sex predator(although that was the original charge) but as a sexual deviant.

He was a teacher until he was investigated and further allegations were made. If a serial killer was caught and then investigated, and he was found to be tied to prior killings, wouldn't this be classified as "a history"?

My question to you is;
If this case wasn't to be treated seriously why was the defense asking for 4 years on each charge...a total of 32 years for the first 8 girls?
That in itself suggests the gravity of his offending by his own lawyers.

yea i wasn't sure if the history was stuff he was already convicted of or not. Alot of times in these history means aligations. I'm not sure i understand the difference between preditor and deviant other then the action. I never said it shouldn't be treated seriously. My whole point is that i believe the punishment should fit the crime. Now i believe child molesters should have even higher consequences. The thing here is i'm having a problem with what impact this judgement would make. Part of the goal is to protect kids from future harm, the other part is to protect them from the amount of harm. I believe there is a strong difference between brutally raping a child and having them eat banana's to get your jollies off. I dont feel the judgement really showed that. I'm not clear to how many kids he did this to, but obviously that has to do with the severity of the punishment as well. As far as the 60 years go, i'm wondering when the soonest he could get out is? I tink thats a min of 30 years.

Like i said before though, i think if he was doing that with banana's, we will find out that he was doing other things to.

[Shade]

Shade, how can you even comparatively liken a 25 year old to a 5 year old?

You know theres so much difference between them.

The fact remains while he didnt physically rape them, he psychologically did. 5 year olds dont know the extremity of such things, A 25 year old woman, however would know the exact reason why you ask her to eat a banana.

I believe, that ALL child molesters should get the same sentence.

Physical castration and life behind bars. The end. No questions asked. Period.

This is where i'm torn. Essentially we are talking about psychological vs physical trauma. I personally believe psychological is worse in most cases, but needs to be taken into consideration on a case by case basis. Some people a physically traumatic expierence is worse. HOWEVER the way the law is writen as is, physical crimes are far more weighted then psychological crimes. The difference between punching someone and calling them a really wicked name.

What i was comparing there was the extremity's of the case. As for the 25 yearold girl, guy's do it all the time. Ever had a friend hand you a popsicle? Or seen a guy's glare at you drinking from a straw? i've had girls stare at me for the way i eat ice cream. I mean feel free to take the retard example as well. The point i was trying to make is that there is a difference in crimes. Again, there is a difference between brutally raping a girl and asking her to eat a banana while you had perverted thoughts. I dont want to down play what he did, however we are assuming how traumatised these kids are. the law can't really make a judgement based on that anyways.

So far the best point i've heard is that this shit fucks you up for your whole life. It effects all relastionships, sex, the way you look at things, how you are as a person. So the severity of any traumatic effects should take that into account as well. Especially at an early childhood devolpment phase. Of course that wasn't made on these boards.

[4nik8]

So...tell me.

How is it that the likes of Deborah Lafave not only did NOT get 60 years for doing far MORE than having a student eat a banana but never spent the first day in fucking jail because "she was too pretty".
The double standard is what pisses me off in this shit.
A kid is a kid is a kid. Be it male or female, the ramifications are the same.
At times when these kids should only be thinking of normal everyday kid activities, they're being preyed upon by those in a position of power that are supposed to be trusted.
How is it that when it's a male teacher on female student the thought enrages people (and rightly so in my opinion)
But when it's female teacher on a male student, it's somehow less egregious. (<---THIS is what pisses me off)

[MoonChild69]

So...tell me.

How is it that the likes of Deborah Lafave not only did NOT get 60 years for doing far MORE than having a student eat a banana but never spent the first day in fucking jail because "she was too pretty".
The double standard is what pisses me off in this shit.
A kid is a kid is a kid. Be it male or female, the ramifications are the same.
At times when these kids should only be thinking of normal everyday kid activities, they're being preyed upon by those in a position of power that are supposed to be trusted.
How is it that when it's a male teacher on female student the thought enrages people (and rightly so in my opinion)
But when it's female teacher on a male student, it's somehow less egregious. (<---THIS is what pisses me off)


That is my name.... LMFAO!

[Amythist]

Wrong is wrong.Violating is violating. Maybe he did nothing physical at that point. But do you think it would of stopped there. Hell no...At least he was caught before he got to take it further.With a sick mind like that you know his actions would of developed further at some point.

[Amythist]

I say cut his dick off and stick it up his own ass.....Better yet you could always use a pineapple...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQw6KuNKqs

[Jenn]

Wrong is wrong.Violating is violating. Maybe he did nothing physical at that point. But do you think it would of stopped there. Hell no...At least he was caught before he got to take it further.With a sick mind like that you know his actions would of developed further at some point.

I couldnt agree with you more.

[Shade]

Nik, you have a point...its a first. I'll probly get ALOT of shit for this, but i believe in our society, its far more acceptable for a male to be raped or sexually abused then a female. Mainly because if a guy gets raped by a girl, what are the majority of 'guy friends' going to say? The same thing everyone said about that boy that debrah chick messed with. Dude, he was totally enjoying it. Nevermind if that kid gets screwed up because of that. It seems the older you are the more acceptable it becomes, however for guys it becomes FAR easier to ignore when they hit around 14-15. Our culture is kinda based on that. It's very hard for a girl because its scary, and there are alot of differnt emotions involved. Though both a guy and a girl think they could of prevented it, or think they deserved it, and struggle with other things as well, i would think a guy also has to deal with the loss of his manhood. IE: society looks at women as more submisive in general and guys as more dominating. A girl can walk into a bar and start crying and people will ask her whats wrong, a guy does that he's laughed at.

As for the rest of the thread, it seems this is a few people with reason talking on either side of the argument, and a whole bunch of 'lets cut off his dick and kill him' shit. So i'm out of this one. This is seems a mob mentality based on emotions, vs a logical discussion of a fucked up social problem.

[Amythist]

I would feel the same way about the situation if it was a female. If it was a female I would still shove a pineapple up her ass and a stick full of nails up her twat...Don't fuck with the innocent....PERIOD!

[Firestorm]

Having read all of the varying opinions, let me toss in my two cents. Fuck him. Anyone who gets any kind of sexual gratification from a child needs to be removed from society immediately and his remains used for fertilizer in a nice flower garden somewhere. Child molesters generally do not go for full penetration the first time. It begins with subtle touching or in this case, with licking a banana. Again, fuck him. Next case.

[Jenn]

Having read all of the varying opinions, let me toss in my two cents. Fuck him. Anyone who gets any kind of sexual gratification from a child needs to be removed from society immediately and his remains used for fertilizer in a nice flower garden somewhere. Child molesters generally do not go for full penetration the first time. It begins with subtle touching or in this case, with licking a banana. Again, fuck him. Next case.

Very well said! You're so right. FUCK HIM!

[Josie]

Very well said! You're so right. FUCK HIM!

Something tells me you're not his type.