Health Concerns... what is the truth?

[Mamba]

There has long been suspicion that components of meat and dairy were absorbed intact through the human digestive tract, triggering autoimmune disorders such as rheumatoid arthritis and childhood diabetes as our bodies try to fight off these foreign substances. In October of 2003, researchers published new evidence that a substance found in lamb, pork, beef and dairy can build up in human tissues and may contribute to chronic disease.

Taking autopsy samples, traces of a molecule called NeuGc can be found in human tissues, particularly in human tumors (especially breast cancer). Relatively high concentrations of anti-NeuGc antibodies can also be found in human blood. This mystified researchers, as human beings can not produce this substance. However, other animals can. Maybe, the researchers proposed, human beings absorb it from eating other animals.

The researchers adopted a vegan diet for a few days to clear their system (no animal-derived ingredients in foods or drugs or shampoo), and then drank a glass of "diluted pig mucus". Within days this invading meat molecule could be found oozing from their bodies, in their saliva, urine and hair clippings.

They speculate that this may be why meat-eaters have such higher rates of cancer and heart disease compared to vegetarians. They acknowledge it could just be the saturated fat in meat and dairy, but maybe it is also because of the incorporation of this foreign substance (plants do not produce NeuGc). The researchers found it particularly interesting that vegetarian diets seem to improve rheumatoid arthritis. Maybe this reactive alien molecule also triggers autoimmune diseases like hepatitis and arthritis.

This article was published in the proceedings of the most prestigious scientific body in the United States. The researchers end their provocative article wondering what the long-term consequences might be of constantly challenging our immune systems in this way, and what the long-range implications are of having anti-Neu5Gc antibodies circulating throughout the bodies of meat-eaters and milk-drinkers.

Kinda freaky, no? Ew @ diluted pig mucus. *hurl

Even so, I love meat - chicken most of all. But bacon...mmm.

What do you think about this research? (Yes, it's from 2003 but I just came across it today)

The way I see it, everything in one way or another, turns out to be bad for you.

Case in point : I've read multiple articles that claim coffee is bad for you http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article738667.ece


COFFEE drinkers who have more than three cups a day could significantly increase their chances of suffering a heart attack.

...yet others which claim research has recently shown that it may be good for you:

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/coffee-new-health-food


A growing body of research shows that coffee drinkers, compared to nondrinkers, are:
* less likely to have type 2 diabetes, Parkinson's disease, and dementia
* have fewer cases of certain cancers, heart rhythm problems, and strokes

Similarly, I've read that "moderate drinking can be beneficial to your health, especially drinking red wine. One study showed a decrease in coronary heart disease and another showed that some researchers believe that resveratrol might be the key ingredient in red wine that helps prevent damage to blood vessels, reduces “bad” cholesterol and prevents blood clots". But then... alcohol is also toxic to the cells that form bones and inhibits the absorption of calcium. Alcohol can also damage the liver, the stomach, brain, and can make you gain weight. Another report called the "Million Women study" reported that just one drink a week increases your risk of breast, pharynx and liver cancer!

WTF?

Is it any wonder we're completely confused and either don't pay attention to these "so-called" health concerns, or go the other way and become completely obssessed?!

[Josie]

I'm not obsessed, I don't know what you're talking about.

[CrAnIuM]

I'm not obsessed, I don't know what you're talking about.

Yes you are ... and what makes it intolerable (and laughable) is your complete disregard for 300 years of medical trial and error and misplaced haughty attitude with anyone that touts the befits of modern medical practices.

( The above is Gary's assumptions and drive-by speculation from umpteen things you've posted both here and on FB )

[Mamba]

I'm not obsessed, I don't know what you're talking about.

Huh? I meant in general.....

[CrAnIuM]

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[Josie]

Huh? I meant in general.....

haha, I know. I'm poking fun at myself :P

[Josie]

Yes you are ... and what makes it intolerable (and laughable) is your complete disregard for 300 years of medical trial and error and misplaced haughty attitude with anyone that touts the befits of modern medical practices.

( The above is Gary's assumptions and drive-by speculation from umpteen things you've posted both here and on FB )

Yeah, I definitely think you're full of bullshit here. My rants want to sprout heads and hurl things at you, but I have no doubt you'll listen 0.00 of what I have to say, so I'll just shake my head and sigh.

[funeeman]

I agree there are lots of problems with consumption of beef and pork or chicken but part of it it has to do with them being feed on genetically engineered grains. The second part has to do with all the preservatives they pump into the meats so it has a safe shelf life. My guess would be that if they did the same study with animals raised on grass or natural grains that were genetically altered you'd have a very different result. I have a cousin who has autism or asperger's or what ever it is and he's on a farm family. Once they switched to meats raised on grass rather than the grains he's issues dramatically decreased and he was much more "normal".

[CrAnIuM]

so I'll just shake my head and sigh


Have you noticed this ^^^ is exactly what I do when you get on your anti-med soapbox on FB ?

[KommieKat]

What do you think about this research? (Yes, it's from 2003 but I just came across it today)

I think it's spot on. I remember talking about this at FY and blueshield had to throw in his idiocy which was typical.

Basically I said that the human body is not biologically set up for eating meat.
Your teeth are mainly molars for chewing grain and nuts and vegies.
Your intestinal tract is not enormously long like a carnivores, who needs the length to digest the food.
You sweat, carnivores use their tongues.........

Sun if first source of energy.
Plants are second with photosynthesis.
Cows are third source of energy by consuming plants.
We get a diluted source of sun energy from cows.

Meat protein cannot be assimilated by the human body.
Plant protein can.
Therefore, TOFU is the magic food.

List goes on.


The way I see it, everything in one way or another, turns out to be bad for you.

Hmmmm, how about fruit? Can you prove that fruit is bad for you?



Similarly, I've read that "moderate drinking can be beneficial to your health, especially drinking red wine.

It's the vinegar essence that is good for you. It's the same with apples.
Red wine vinegar. Apple vinegar.

Pickled vegetables are known to be life extenders and full of healthy benefits, hence Japanese pickled vegetables like Daikon (white radish).

[SlimSkeeter]

Hmmmm, how about fruit? Can you prove that fruit is bad for you?

Personal experience says yes, after the time I ate about 5 apples and had the screaming shits. The body processes apple juice like a food instead of a drink... which leads to a lot of toilet time.

Also, too much citrus is bad. Way too much acid. And you CAN overdose on vitamin C. Of course...you can overdose on ANY vitamin/mineral that you are supposed to have in your diet.

[KommieKat]

^^^
Dude,
First of all fruits are known to have laxative properties.
Second, you seem to have forgotten the old adage universal maxim: "All things in moderation. Yes, that goes for sex as well."

[SpringChicken]

^^^
Yes, that goes for sex as well."
LIES!

[SlimSkeeter]

^^^ That.

Although, I wasn't forgetting either portent. Merely pointing out that ANYTHING can be bad for you under the right circumstances. Nothing is free, not even health benefits. You start worrying too much about counteracting this detriment with that benifit and then with another to cover something the first two don't effect at all and you wind up chasing your own tail.

[surgicalstrike]

Your intestinal tract is not enormously long like a carnivores, who needs the length to digest the food.

This is the other way around, but your point being humans are not designed for eating meat is correct. Also, too much tofu/soy will really mess up male hormone balance (lower T and up E levels)

Protein recommendations are also waaaay out of whack these days with the supplement companies making billions. Nobody needs 2g for every pound of body weight, it's a myth..and drinking too much whey will just sit in your intestines (like meat) and slowly wait for exit without transferring much of the amino/benefit into the blood. You know it's true when you experience the 'sludge' , which a healthy poop should never be.

Hemp protein FTW (no, not pot....look it up) You won't need a lot and you will FEEL great.

[surgicalstrike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obmdi92Z1h4&feature=digest_refresh_sun
humans are not designed for eating meat is correct

*Edit ..

too much is what I meant. Balance is key.

[Grim_Legion]

and then some stupid bitch injects beef fat into her face :

(NEWSER) – Add this to the list of really awful ways to go: An Illinois woman injected heated beef fat into her face Thursday, and died shortly thereafter. Janet Hardt, 63, had done it several times before, says a source, but after injecting the substance around her mouth and chin this time, WLS-AM (http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2281721&spid) reports that her face became singed. She went to a hospital with complaints that she was experiencing a burning sensation, but died at 6:25pm.

http://www.newser.com/story/128133/woman-dies-hours-after-injecting-beef-fat-into-face.html

[KommieKat]

^^^^
I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Was she going for protein injections and went straight for the source instead?

[Josie]

^^^^
I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Was she going for protein injections and went straight for the source instead?

(I think) She was trying to make her wrinkles less noticeable by inflating her face strategically. Maybe a hypodermic needle to the thigh fat would have produced better results. Dunno.

[Grim_Legion]

^
Or a hot iron applied directly to the face .. i heard ironing removes wrinkles

[KommieKat]

^^

HEHE!:yociexp102:

[Deadly_Toxin]

My own personal thoughts on this matter.

There are very few things these days that aren't known for causing some sort of health disorder. But the truth is, a lot (not all) has to do with simple genetics. Some people are more prone to health issues than not. I mean, take the guy who's been smoking his entire life and has never gotten cancer, and the person who's never smoked and never been around second hand smoke so much gets it. I'm not saying this is the norm, just saying that some people are more prone to getting these things than others. Some cancers and tumors are caused because of a genetic flaw. One cell begins to reproduce continually and the part of it that is supposed to go 'hey, don't do that' doesn't. Which is why family history of disease is important when trying to attain a diagnosis of a particular problem.

Unfortunately, due to medicinal advances, the survival of the fittest no longer occurs. Suddenly people who would have once died off because of genetic flaws or inferiority can now survive.

But I'm falling off topic.

The majority of people eat far more meat than what is suggested, and milk as well. And these animals are not only fed, as was mentioned above, genetically altered grains, but animal bi-products (these being animals that really AREN'T supposed to eat meat) and a ridiculous amount of hormones. Yeah. That bit of pink that's around the chicken bone that doesn't go away no matter how much you cook it? That's from a chicken not being taken off hormones soon enough before slaughter. That is what you are eating.

On that note, I think that vegetarianism makes sense if you are doing it for health reasons (though I'm not convinced in the least it is better for you, as Kommie mentioned, our teeth are more for eating plants, however we still have teeth to eat meat, which would logically make one assume that we are supposed to eat far more plants than animals, same as the food guide suggests), but not doing so for moral reasons is absurd to me. But there's been controversy over MANY things we should eat.

Take soy for example. It's been known as a 'health food' forever. But there is plenty of controversy over whether or not that is good for you.

But. S'my thoughts.

[KommieKat]

Take soy for example. It's been known as a 'health food' forever. But there is plenty of controversy over whether or not that is good for you.

You'll notice that the controversy about this is within the Western cultures. I've never once seen the issue brought up about it as being "bad" in Japan nor China/Hong Kong.
Perhaps because they've been eating/drinking it for around 5000 years or more?

The only controversy talked about it here is the Genetic modified versions that the Americans are exporting.

[Zeabot]

Genetic modified versions that the Americans are exporting.
You mean the tasty kind.

All jokes aside, though. The majority of problems with Americans stems from us being dumb. We want an instant solution to EVERYTHING without giving up ANYTHING in return. We want to lose weight? "Fat burning pills." We want to happy? "Anti-depressants." I don't want to digress too far from the point, so I'll swing it back by saying this: most things are okay in moderation, especially if you work hard to to keep your body healthy; whether that is through exercise or taking your flintstones vitamins.

[Pud]

Yes you are ... and what makes it intolerable (and laughable) is your complete disregard for 300 years of medical trial and error and misplaced haughty attitude with anyone that touts the befits of modern medical practices.

( The above is Gary's assumptions and drive-by speculation from umpteen things you've posted both here and on FB )

She has reason to be. There is a certain portion of the population that doesn't respond to drugs in a "normal" fashion. She's one of them. This is where stimulants can provide a calming, relaxing effect and pain killers can cause anxiety and/or muscle spasms. There's nothing worse than getting "doped up" by a doctor who has "never" seen or heard of such a reaction -- and then begins a painful procedure assuming that the patient is just being oversensitive.

You ignore the wealth of information she has at her disposal at your peril. It's a documented fact that the U.S. doesn't have a health care system. It has a sick care system. We shouldn't expect anything different in light of the fact that its far more profitable to "treat" sick people than to provide incentives for healthy lifestyles (the former creates vast profit margins on pharmaceuticals and fancy medical equipment, while the latter carries no such incentive). Not everything responds "efficiently" to market forces. Naturopathic and allopathic practice should not be at odds with each other. If we were serious about true health, we'd use naturopathic strategies to stay healthy and reserve allopathic miracle treatments for the accidents, diseases, and maladies inherent in human existence. We do neither. Worst of both worlds.