Sigh ...really?

[CrAnIuM]

I don't want to live in a "loony Bin" or a "fortress of craziness". ^^

1. Security.

2. survivability.

3. sustainability.

4. Comfort.


IN THAT ORDER. < ---- how hard is this to understand?

[Absinthe]

IN THAT ORDER. < ---- how hard is this to understand?

Not hard at all. But it is suppose to be our "forever home" and I would like to enjoy it.

Me:
2406

You:

2407

See the problem here???

[CrAnIuM]

See the problem here???


Yes. You think the world is piloted by Unicorns and is fueled by rainbow juice.

[Absinthe]

Yes. You think the world is piloted by Unicorns and is fueled by rainbow juice.

No, I do not. I am just not as paranoid as you and I don't think the world is out to get me...

[CrAnIuM]

I am just not as paranoid

Where I'm from we call it awareness, dear.

[CrAnIuM]

Feets of a dude that is uber aware ....


http://swollencranium.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2408&d=1296874474

[Absinthe]

Feets of a dude that is uber aware ....

Yeah... I see how you are paying attention... :13_002:

[SittinGrumpy]

2406

2407



How about what Abs wants above ground and what GDP wants below ground?

[CrAnIuM]

wants below ground


Here ---> Decommissioned nuclear facilities. (http://www.missilebases.com/)

[Absinthe]

Here ---> Decommissioned nuclear facilities.

And a pretty house on top of it... impossible to find beside the fact that non of these "facilities" are cheap to begin with... sigh...

[CrAnIuM]

And a pretty house on top of it... impossible to find beside the fact that non of these "facilities" are cheap to begin with... sigh...

You find the house.

I have a shovel.

Simple.

[Absinthe]

You find the house. I have a shovel. Simple.

Ok!!

[Wenis]

Maybe you could compromise. Like, living in Absinthe's dream home BUT have special survival kits and apocalypse boots in every room.

Or.... living in a secure rock fortress with a rolling stone on the door, but with a home cinema system in every room and a toilet with pink toilet roll.

[CrAnIuM]

Maybe you could compromise

Those who compromise on security will be the first to die.

Anyway ... I think I'm being pretty damn reasonable.

[Wenis]

Those who compromise on security will be the first to die.

Yes. You have made a decision. Your choice is to assume that there is definitely going to be an apocalypse in the next few decades.

Some people might argue that actually, you are worrying about nothing, that there won't be an apocalypse any time soon, and that because of this irrational fear you have chosen to live the rest of your years in discomfort in your secure zombie, mexican and alien proof fortress for no reason - denying your wife a proper home that she'd enjoy.

Eh?

[Capt.]

If I keep pounding buffalo wings the way I have been recently, you ALL better have a shelter to run to. I'm not kidding; choking my wife out of dead sleep, making a dog run for cover, and having neighbors complain have all been done with just the digestion of that wonderful sauce. Mmmmm...

[CrAnIuM]

Some people might argue

Lately many people are arguing the contrary.

But also more people are going my route, many more than have pondered it in the last 20 years. <-- I know this because of the recent explosion in interest surrounding ready made 'survival' products.

Most people think being secure means giving up the luxury of good living, this is simply not the case. In the modern era one can be secure AND maintain a comfort level equivalent to the average dude down the block.

In my case I feel it is a boon to my security plan NOT to look like Fort Knox because in my experience more people are curious about the thing that looks out of place and are likely to investigate.

I want a secure environment that can withstand a roaming crowd of untrained fuck nuts while allowing me to repel a group of 10-25. I base my security model on the post disaster plan. 2005 and Katrina showed us just what people are willing to do to stay fed .. and that meant forming mobs and raiding the homes of folks that were known to have "stuff". This happened in my back yard ... not across the Globe.

I know my 'neighbors' are likely not to be as prepared as I am. That means they will either pack up and leave or band together and go 'hunting'. I do not intend to leave my site unless it is 100% obvious I will die by staying. And once the shit hits the fan I WILL NOT be a distribution point or a soft target of opportunity for those that chose not to be prepared.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I also don't care that I will spend every available dime making myself and my home secure.

I WILL be able to provide 50% of my energy loads by 2014. This is a figure based on my current no conservation estimates. If I went with high efficiency appliances and vastly scaled down my usage I could be at 75 to 90% in that same time frame. These figures are solar only.

I WILL be able to sustain my small family unit for periods exceeding 12 CONTINUOUS months of NO resupply.

I Will NOT wait for the storm to come .. or the shopping center shelves to become empty or the lines to form to get a handout of ice/water... etc etc .. more mumbling and wild eye looks and flailing of hands.


^ I'm moon bat Crazy huh ?

[SittinGrumpy]

^ I'm moon bat Crazy huh ?

Actually, I agree with you 150%.

[Absinthe]

NOT to look like Fort Knox

As long as we agree on this, I am more than willing to listen to your plans. I just don't want to live in a block of concrete surrounded by a 10 ft tall chain link fence topped with barbed wire and stadium lights all over the place.

I am pretty sure that there is a way to combine both of our plans.


toilet with pink toilet roll

Uhm... noooo...

[Absinthe]

Good example of where we don't agree:

I like lots of windows (for natural light etc).
He seems them as a security risk. Especially floor to ceiling windows which can be kicked in...

[CrAnIuM]

He seems them as a security risk.

I've participated in dozens of real world room clearing operations. I've done it in training hundreds of times.

Windows make the job of the guy on the OUTSIDE 10x easier.

I do not see how we will come to an agreeable compromise on this. Steel shutters are the only way ... or no windows !!

[SittinGrumpy]

Windows, tinted from the inside so that you can see out, with steel shutters hidden behind the wood shutters, that can me turned on with a flip of a switch hidden in a central location in the house.

[Mamba]

Windows, tinted from the inside so that you can see out, with steel shutters hidden behind the wood shutters, that can me turn on with a flip of a switch hidden in a central location in the house.
Oooh yeah! I like this idea.

[CrAnIuM]

Windows, tinted from the inside so that you can see out, with steel shutters hidden behind the wood shutters, that can me turn on with a flip of a switch hidden in a central location in the house.


I don't need or want it to be a "panic" based structure.

When we are up and active the security of the 'structure' is backed up by armed and cognizant occupants. I only need it to into lock down mode while we sleep, under hours of reduced visibility or when conditions say its best to button up.

[Mamba]

I only need it to into lock down mode while we sleep, under hours of reduced visibility or when conditions say its best to button up.

Well then you only lock it down when you're going to sleep or either of those things you said. I don't see what you're saying... Can't you still have a flip of a switch even if it's NOT "a panic based structure"?

[SittinGrumpy]

You shoot down every damn middle ground I find.... whatever

[Wenis]

^ I'm moon bat Crazy huh ?

I don't think you're crazy, I just don't agree with you. You're insuring yourself for something that may or may not happen... maybe you will be laughing at me when that day comes, but to me the most likely outcome is the day will never come.

Also I like the idea of self-sustainability such as growing your own vegetables, but when it comes to solar panels you are not going to be making your money back, and so again the only advantage of that would be when your neighbours turn crazy and you need to fight them off for a year- an unlikely event to which I say "I'll risk it" and to which you say "I won't".

[CrAnIuM]

but when it comes to solar panels you are not going to be making your money back,

I'm not going in to this with that mentality. If I were I would do next to nothing because the things I have planned will make our next house unsellable.

Part of energy self sufficiency is the security of not being at the foot of big business begging for more power.

Solar will never (with current tech) replace energy use at business and industry level, but it CAN replace the fossil fuel usage of a typical family of 4.

The oil industry has spun the great tale of the "solar myth" and they rarely talk about residential use.

[Absinthe]

Keep the short term possibilities of solar in mind as well.
We didn't experience Katrina while we lived in Louisiana but were hit by the next storm - Rita. Days without electricity in the humid heat of a Louisiana. Food stored in the fridge spoiled within days. Having the possibility to maybe keep your food from spoiling, running a fan, maybe some lights during the evening would be a great thing to have in such a situation.

Or look at the recent snow storm that hit many states in the US. There are plenty of people having food only for a few days. If the lights go out... how are they going to take care of themselves? Imagine sitting in a cold house with no lights for days...

We do need a wood burning stove in our new place...

[SittinGrumpy]

We do need a wood burning stove in our new place...

I found the cutest pot belly Montgomery castiron wood stove on cl for $85... it has been awesome!

[CrAnIuM]

the cutest

Hush you !

[Absinthe]

I found the cutest pot belly Montgomery castiron wood stove on cl for $85... it has been awesome!

Ha... I just checked out craigslist... Interesting, that Lowes sells a wood stove for $399 and Nothern Tools has the same for $289...

[SittinGrumpy]

Hush you !


NO! I speak truth, see

http://swollencranium.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2410&d=1296959669

[KommieKat]

"I'll risk it" and to which you say "I won't".

I think the idea here is to get off the grid and not rely on the MAN, that being big business.
It's a bit costly at first but you do see your money in the long run.

I'll be doing the same, if and when I return to the U.S.