Tall poppy syndrome/Jante Law

[Scabman]

The ten rules in the Jante Law (the nordic version of the Tall Poppy Syndrome)

1. Thou shalt not believe thou art something.
2. Thou shalt not believe thou art as good as we.
3. Thou shalt not believe thou art more wise as we.
4. Thou shalt not fancy thyself better than we.
5. Thou shalt not believe thou knowest more than we.
6. Thou shalt not believe thou are greater than we.
7. Thou shalt not believe thou amountest to anything.
8. Thou shalt not laugh at us.
9. Thou shalt not believe that anyone is concerned with thee.
10. Thou shalt not believe thou canst teach us anything.


It was described as early as in the days of Aristole.
Does this social attitude still apply? Should it apply, for that matter? How exacly should these rules be interpreted?

[KommieKat]

Sounds like a good Motto for BAD ASS MOTHA FUCKERS.

[Pinkslit]

It is supposed to teach one humility and stop one feeling superior to anyone else, that mediocrity and anonymity are the safest choice. If you opt for them you'll never face any major problems in life. If you dare to be different, however, you will be criticized and become an outcast.
The Jante Law originated partly from Communism and is purely a form of psychologial brainwashing.

[Scabman]

Sounds like a good Motto for BAD ASS MOTHA FUCKERS.

I wouldnt say so since in areas where the rules are established and integrated, the general population apply the rules equally towards themselves, as in both Norway and Denmark.

[Scabman]

The Jante Law originated partly from Communism and is purely a form of psychologial brainwashing.

Where is your source for that?
The way I see it, the Jante law originate from Tall Poppy Syndrome described by Aristoles, preceding communism by over 2000 years.

[Pinkslit]

Where is your source for that?
The way I see it, the Jante law originate from Tall Poppy Syndrome described by Aristoles, preceding communism by over 2000 years.

The Jante law is not an actual law. It is a social mentality or dark cultural code that has been passed down through generations with its origin from egalitarianism and communism. It was first written about in 1933 by Aksel Sandemose in his novel.

[Scabman]

The Jante law is not an actual law. It is a social mentality or dark cultural code that has been passed down through generations with its origin from egalitarianism and communism. It was first written about in 1933 by Aksel Sandemose in his novel.

You know, if you had rephrased that a bit I wouldnt have gone to figure out where it's assumed that "The Jante law" have roots in communism.

If you had taken out parts of that I wouldnt be hella confused over why you dragged out obvious conclusions like "The Jante law is not an actual law."

If you just had tweaked it a tiiiiny bit, I would not figure out, through one of the first search results from google, that the above quote is an direct copy paste from the American Democratic Party.
http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/larsthomastanskanen/CpRj

Please think, and write, for yourself. Thank you.

In response to your quote, however, I am still under the impression that the Jante Law was written to describe a mentality that was deeply rooted in the society he grew up in.

[Severina]

l would love to know how anyone can think that Jante Law partly originates from Communism whose core ideolgy is that everyone is equal. Not one of Jante's Laws stated can be applied to it.

[4nik8]

l would love to know how anyone can think that Jante Law partly originates from Communism whose core ideolgy is that everyone is equal. Not one of Jante's Laws stated can be applied to it.

If anyone here were to truly know the Communistic ideology, it would be Sev...
I would've included buddha, since he lives in China but that dudes so lost he thinks it's Democratic there.

[Pinkslit]

Please think, and write, for yourself. Thank you.

In response to your quote, however, I am still under the impression that the Jante Law was written to describe a mentality that was deeply rooted in the society he grew up in.

I was bored shitless when I googled that. I don't really give two fucks why the Danish, Norwegians or Swedes want to believe they are a bunch of sheep. :10_003:

[mcsmc]

The Jante Law takes into account humility without proper pride. It's emo, in my opinion.

[Shade]

The ten rules in the Jante Law (the nordic version of the Tall Poppy Syndrome)

1. Thou shalt not believe thou art something.
2. Thou shalt not believe thou art as good as we.
3. Thou shalt not believe thou art more wise as we.
4. Thou shalt not fancy thyself better than we.
5. Thou shalt not believe thou knowest more than we.
6. Thou shalt not believe thou are greater than we.
7. Thou shalt not believe thou amountest to anything.
8. Thou shalt not laugh at us.
9. Thou shalt not believe that anyone is concerned with thee.
10. Thou shalt not believe thou canst teach us anything.


It was described as early as in the days of Aristole.
Does this social attitude still apply? Should it apply, for that matter? How exacly should these rules be interpreted?

This is enlightment. The thing is if you force then on people who haven't reached that, it becomes brain washing. Part of enlightenment is giving up a sense of self. It's losing the ego. That can't be accomplished by simply wishing it goes.

So basicly if your enlightened, this just displays the characteristics. If your the normal average person this is a path to humilation, destruction, self hate, and self doubt. Mainly because to gain enlightenment you have to realize your self worth, then freely give it up in the understanding that its everyones self worth. Otherwise you basicly feel like MC, and go through the motions.

[Severina]

The ten rules in the Jante Law (the nordic version of the Tall Poppy Syndrome)

1. Thou shalt not believe thou art something.
2. Thou shalt not believe thou art as good as we.
3. Thou shalt not believe thou art more wise as we.
4. Thou shalt not fancy thyself better than we.
5. Thou shalt not believe thou knowest more than we.
6. Thou shalt not believe thou are greater than we.
7. Thou shalt not believe thou amountest to anything.
8. Thou shalt not laugh at us.
9. Thou shalt not believe that anyone is concerned with thee.
10. Thou shalt not believe thou canst teach us anything.


It was described as early as in the days of Aristole.
Does this social attitude still apply? Should it apply, for that matter? How exacly should these rules be interpreted?

This looks more like the Viking warrior/pirate attitude to anyone that was not of them whilst on one of their raids, raping and pillaging!

[Celtic Crusher]

I've never even heard of Jante Law before now so I can't really say much about it. It is very interesting though.

[KommieKat]

The ten rules in the Jante Law (the nordic version of the Tall Poppy Syndrome)
It was described as early as in the days of Aristole.
Does this social attitude still apply? Should it apply, for that matter? How exacly should these rules be interpreted?


The rules mentioned are exclusive to others.
I would say that it would apply to something like the military or as Sev said, some pirate groups manifesto.

Should it apply? Sure, if you're a pirate or in some inclusive group that demands this kind of discipline to operate.

I interpret it as being inclusive for the group at large.
Maybe Pythagorean or early Greek as you mentioned. Lots of secret societies such as Pythagoras or Persian Mithra would use this kind of pledge.

[Severina]

The rules mentioned are exclusive to others.
I would say that it would apply to something like the military or as Sev said, some pirate groups manifesto.

Should it apply? Sure, if you're a pirate or in some inclusive group that demands this kind of discipline to operate.

I interpret it as being inclusive for the group at large.
Maybe Pythagorean or early Greek as you mentioned. Lots of secret societies such as Pythagoras or Persian Mithra would use this kind of pledge.

l think the whole thing has been twisted round by some akin to tree-huggers. l cannot see Vikings ever interpreting it as humility. Things get labels and they stick and most of the time they lose their actual meaning. Take Communism, it is applied to China, Russia, Cuba etc when actually it various forms of Socialism. True Communism has never been anything but an idealogical theory.

[Shade]

l think the whole thing has been twisted round by some akin to tree-huggers. l cannot see Vikings ever interpreting it as humility. Things get labels and they stick and most of the time they lose their actual meaning. Take Communism, it is applied to China, Russia, Cuba etc when actually it various forms of Socialism. True Communism has never been anything but an idealogical theory.

I agree. It was marxism, which never suceeded. It's been implamented on all three differnt stages, the results, the USSR, China and Cuba. Marxism and communism would only truely work in a utopian society. hehe. memories. I had this discussion when i was 18 eating fries at denny's. If everyone is in a state of happiness and doesnt want anything, then it will work, if you got one greedy bastard, or one unhappy person it will destroy it. The logical conclusion of this are movies like the matrix.

[Severina]

I agree. It was marxism, which never suceeded. It's been implamented on all three differnt stages, the results, the USSR, China and Cuba. Marxism and communism would only truely work in a utopian society. hehe. memories. I had this discussion when i was 18 eating fries at denny's. If everyone is in a state of happiness and doesnt want anything, then it will work, if you got one greedy bastard, or one unhappy person it will destroy it. The logical conclusion of this are movies like the matrix.

The majority of Western Civilisations are really Marxists/Communists without even realising it because it does and is working in one place, it's called a family unit. The wealth is distributed (food, utilities,clothing etc) where it's needed and the members work at home for no salary because they generally want to and are happy to do so for the good of the family. Once extended beyond that it begins to breakdown.

[Shade]

The majority of Western Civilisation are really Marxists/Communists without even realising it because it does and is working in one place, it's called a family unit. The wealth is distributed (food, utilities etc) where it's needed and the members work at home for no salary because they generally want to and are happy to do so for the good of the family. Once extended beyond that it begins to breakdown.

I'll agree to that in princeable. Your now getting into maslows pyramid. I believe this exists everywhere, just in differnt forms. China and Japan, still both have ancestors, and family historys. Every country since the begaining of time has had gangs. I think the larger a family or clan gets the greater chance it has to having someone else exposed to other ideals. I believe expierences, and timing and exposure dictate what you believe in. Which means basicly you end up choosing choosing a new family or you go back to your current family and infect them with your new found ideals. Weather the ideal is right or wrong or the idea of he ideal is right or wrong, the same thing happens. You got people who disagree over it, thus use leverage such as wealth or time or work, to impose their view.

[Severina]

I'll agree to that in princeable. Your now getting into maslows pyramid. I believe this exists everywhere, just in differnt forms. China and Japan, still both have ancestors, and family historys. Every country since the begaining of time has had gangs. I think the larger a family or clan gets the greater chance it has to having someone else exposed to other ideals. I believe expierences, and timing and exposure dictate what you believe in. Which means basicly you end up choosing choosing a new family or you go back to your current family and infect them with your new found ideals. Weather the ideal is right or wrong or the idea of he ideal is right or wrong, the same thing happens. You got people who disagree over it, thus use leverage such as wealth or time or work, to impose their view.

Beyond the blood family unit l think then you can begin to look at Maslow and try to apply his theory. As l said, once you extend beyond the unit it then begins to breakdown because of the variables you mentioned.

[Shade]

Beyond the blood family unit l think then you can begin to look at Maslow and try to apply his theory. As l said, once you extend beyond the unit it then begins to breakdown because of the variables you mentioned.

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