You may ask yourself, Where is that large automobile?

[Pud]

Watch:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0&feature=player_embedded

Then discuss.

[CrAnIuM]

Quote @ 09:16

Say what? " Any sensible person right now would join an anti capitalist organization."




I feel as though I am completely sane, sensible and coherent and I most assuredly will not be joining any such group.

From my own reading Of the various 'isms I came across the follow:

In Fact Marx's own statement of:

" The Worker becomes an even cheaper commodity the more commodities he creates. With the increasing value of the world of things proceed in direct proportion to the devaluation of the world of men. Labor produces not only commodities it produces itself and the worker as a commodity and does so in the proportion in which it produces commodities generally."



What does he mean here? That dudes should produce nothing for COOPERATE PROFIT but rather only produce for consumption and the general upkeep of the people?

In Marx's thinking it seems as if he is against mass production of any type because it leads to a worker becoming a commodity of sorts and the "ruling class" having all the power.

No mass production = no 6 billion dudes on Planet Earth.




Yeah .. Imma have to give Marxism a no-go.

[CrAnIuM]

Continuing on ...

I DO agree that we as a society need to have an open debate on how we should go forward as a Global people.


Yes, I agree that too many have nothing while a few have everything and most often gained from the toil of the common folk.

Still, I'm a huge fan of personal wealth and personal property rights and the Uniquely AMERICAN values placed on such things.


In two or so years I will be starting my "off grid" plan. In less than 10 years I will be (hopefully) 100% self sufficient.

I wish you that want to play 'the game" good luck !

[KommieKat]

Continuing on ...

I DO agree that we as a society need to have an open debate on how we should go forward as a Global people.





Star Trek, baby, Star Trek and the Federation of Planets.

For Pud:

I like this guys vids. I have just recently posted on of his about "Modern Education" in another thread with that title.

[Pud]

No mass production = no 6 billion dudes on Planet Earth.


Astute observation. But stop for a minute and think about what it means. You can't have 6B peeps without mass production, which requires ever-increasing energy inputs. See my wicki post for the implications of this vis-a-vis the sustainability of current population levels.

Marx was correct. And so was Adam Smith -- just not the ways in which most Americans have been indoctrinated.

[CrAnIuM]

You can't have 6B peeps without mass production, which requires ever-increasing energy inputs.


I see that. But to even entertain a reduction in population labels folks as oddballs at best and dangerous at worst.

I agree with the indoctrination issue, most of us are a product of our upbringing and community and too few of us venture out and away from the typical us against them mantra.

I feel as the world may have painted itself into a corner with the population/production issue and do not see anything but wide spread famine and genocide in the developing counties in the not too distant future, and shortages and massive price increase in the developed countries.

It does not take a PHD to know that Food follows Fuel.

[Pud]

It does not take a PHD to know that Food follows Fuel.

Food IS fuel. And it's no coincidence that it's possible to turn fossil fuels into human fuels (which we currently do on a massive scale).

We *could* possibly get this population pig to successfully pass through its historical snake if we'd just stop telling ourselves idiotic stories about all the "isms" that show up nowhere in the Constitution OR in ANY of our framers' published thoughts on governance. A great place to start would be the moronic concept of a corporation as a person. A quick second would be the hideously twisted horror show that we've made of the first amendment by equating money with speech.