Religion

[Shade]

What religion are you, and what are your views on it, and the other religions of the world. Discuss. I want to hear your thoughts.

[InterStella]

I am totally of the agnostic breed. So, yeah. Prove it.

[Scabman]

I'm a Pastafarian.
The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster all the way, yo.

[MoonChild69]

Ooooo Spaghetti... I'm hungry now. Ok, lets just say I was born Catholic, end of story.

[InterStella]

Sorry peeps, but you can't go off on one here. Totally staying on topic is what it's all about. Wouldn't wanna upset anyone, or anything like that.

But, I love penne... with spicy tomato sauce.


*sorry*

[Cúchulainn]

I was born Catholic, and I'm pissed about that. I am an atheist, and I have been when I started watching "Bill Nye, The Science Guy," and started reading up on science. I passionately despise religion in all forms and have extremely little patience for dealing with idiots who would suspend all rational thought processes in order to believe in a guy who lived in the sky and said, "Let there be..." and there was. I hate the self-contradictions. However, I do have to say, religion has done some great things for society in the past couple thousand years. All the pain, all the racial hate, slavery, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, all the religion-based stuff that's going down in the Middle East, you know, great stuff. Way to go there, religion. Way to FAIL.

It also amazes me how religious people can look at other religions like $cientology and point fingers. Oh, those people are fucked up, Jesus Christ is the one true god. Are you serious? Take a step back and look at what you believe in first, fix yourself, then get back to those poor bastards. Once you get those crap ideas out of your fuckin' skull, then help others get the crap ideas out of their fuckin' skulls. All religion is equally ridiculous and none of 'em make a goddamned shred of sense.

Theism is nothing more than primitive man's answer to the question 'why?' That question has been asked since time as we knew it began and originally it was answered by god. Now we should know better, but some people are still behaving like Neanderthals and believing in a god.

Religion is nothing more than a control tool for the mentally weak. Simply threaten the masses with something so terrible that they don't want to even think about it, like Hell, and they'll do whatever you say, provided they are stupid enough. And shit, look around. There's a helluva lot of stupid people, still to this day. They still believe in that shit.

Furthermore, religion has done nothing but stand in the way of scientific advancement, time and time again. Look at what happened to Galileo and Copernicus. And even to this day, with this whole stem cell research fiasco. Its the religious idiots who are standing in the way of progress.

I hate religion and it needs to go. Its time is over, we should be a more advanced society, but with stupid shit like this, we're not. Religion is a big part of why Society Sucks.

[Josie]

I'm a Pastafarian.
The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster all the way, yo.


Ooooo Spaghetti... I'm hungry now. Ok, lets just say I was born Catholic, end of story.


Sorry peeps, but you can't go off on one here. Totally staying on topic is what it's all about. Wouldn't wanna upset anyone, or anything like that.

But, I love penne... with spicy tomato sauce.


*sorry*

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I was born into a born-again Christian family.. my mother has since floated around many different forms of Christian churches.

I don't really care. Religion doesn't play a role in my daily life, so I don't pay it much mind. As for other people being religious, I don't care so long as nothing gets pushed onto me.

[Saucy]

I don't really care. Religion doesn't play a role in my daily life, so I don't pay it much mind. As for other people being religious, I don't care so long as nothing gets pushed onto me.

Same here. I don't mind what religion you believe in. Just don't preach it to me.

[Pinkslit]

I am not religious.
You can stick your religion up your ass.


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[Amythist]

What religion are you, and what are your views on it, and the other religions of the world. Discuss. I want to hear your thoughts.

I am not a religious person . I don't go to church . I don't preach.I figure it like this. What I feel is between me and God and is no one else's business. I don't punt people for their beliefs. I just don't want to be preached to.

[dunamis]

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I was born into a born-again Christian family.. my mother has since floated around many different forms of Christian churches.

I don't really care. Religion doesn't play a role in my daily life, so I don't pay it much mind. As for other people being religious, I don't care so long as nothing gets pushed onto me.


Same here. I don't mind what religion you believe in. Just don't preach it to me.

Jumping on the "God is completely irrelevant" bandwagon.

[gigman]

COURT SETS ATHEISTS HOLIDAY

In Florida an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no holiday to celebrate. The case was brought before a judge. After listening to the long passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, "Case Dismissed!"

The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said, "Your honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!"

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said, "Obviously your client is too confused to even know about it much less celebrate his own atheists' holiday!"

The lawyer pompously said, "Your Honor, we are unaware of any such holiday for atheists. Just when might that holiday be?"


The judge said, "It comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st! Since our calendar sets April 1st as 'April Fools Day,' consider that Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus, in my opinion, if your client says there is no God, then by scripture, he is a fool, and April 1st is his holiday! Now have a good day and get out of my courtroom!!"

Way to go, Judge!
AMEN

[KommieKat]

My religion does not yet exist.

[Jenn]

I'm Catholic, not by choice. It's weird because I believe in God. There HAS to be a higher being, but I don't believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing. I don't believe in creation. I belive in Evolution. I don't believe God took Seven days to create the world.

Forgive me, because I never read the bible, and I am totally ignorant on the subject, but what about Dinosaurs? Who created dinosaurs?

Also, they say we have a soul, and when we die our body gets a little lighter..blah blah blah. Do I believe this? I dont know... See, I kind of think of our bodies like a car. The outside is the shell, and the engine is what controlls is(our brains) and once we die, it gets shut off, nothing else. No soul flies out. But I'm kind of torn with that.

And I also believe(sorry die hard christians) that the bible could have been made to sort of keep the peace and prevent violence.

This was about religion and I added more here.. sorry.

Okay about other peoples religions.. I really don't give a shit what anyone else believes. I just wish they would stop coming to my door, stop giving pamphlets to my son as we are walking by, and stop preaching in the street. Every now and then we take the staten island Ferry, and there's always some nut job on there preaching. Good God, get something else to do.

Also I don't like how some muslims take their religion a little too seriously and kill because they'll get 13 virgins or something. Geeeze.

[suki]

Theism is nothing more than primitive man's answer to the question 'why?' That question has been asked since time as we knew it began and originally it was answered by god. Now we should know better, but some people are still behaving like Neanderthals and believing in a god.



I'd agree (to a lesser extent) with much of what you said...

but this part isn't particularly accurate.

primitive man was most likely incapable of any higher order (in this context not DIRECTLY related to survival) thinking...and therefore was not the first to conceive of 'god'

the closest a 'primative man's' thought process might've come to 'god'-like thinking was MAYBE a basic superstition.

dead son. sad. lightning strike. son move. no sad. lightning=good.


the conception of a higher power [not entirely true. I suppose I'm speaking a little more of religion here than actual belief in a (or many) god(s), but humor me for a minute] came MUCH later...along with society. when men in power needed a fail proof means to enact social control.

listen to me.
why?
well...cause if not you burn in hell forever.
oh, ok.
god has spoken. amen

[mcsmc]

I'm ignorant.

People such as yourself irritate me. I don't give a fuck what religion someone believes in, as long as they aren't just "going with the flow" and consciously choosing to be an ignorant idiot regarding things. Have reasons for your beliefs, backed up by at least some distantly related facts and/or knowledge of the areas you voice an opinion on, or alternately, shut the fuck up about things you obviously don't know anything about in the first place.

In your post, you basically said that you don't know jack shit but Christians are WRONG. Great job changing the focus from you not knowing anything, but being opinionated anyhow, to someone else being wrong. No one wants someone else to judge them, including Christians. It seems to me that you're the most judgmental person in this social group, and that's the main aspect of religion that seems to piss the most people off... the whole "I'm right, you're wrong and going to hell" concept.

Oh wait, and you're "Catholic, not by choice"? What's that supposed to mean? You got forced at gunpoint to confess to a priest, eat wafers, drink wine, get your children baptized as infants, etc? I kind of doubt that. If you're listed at a Catholic church as a member (to appease your husband, mother, etc.), and disregard the religion or the majority of its basis (e.g. Adam and Eve, the Bible in general), then you're just another judgmental hypocrite that makes your religion look like shit.

Again, I reiterate, I don't have a problem with religions. I have a problem with the assholes that abuse religion for selfish reasons. Most religions teach selflessness.

As to me? I don't hold a religion. It's obvious to anyone educated that the idea that people evolved from rocks (and yes, if you look into the evolution theory, that's pretty much what it boils down to) is mathematically and scientifically impossible, so I do believe there is something going on that we don't know about. I definitely don't want hypocritical assholes telling me what the answer is, though. I'm pretty sure if it's important enough that I find the answer before I die, that it will come without the help of ignorant idiots.

And Jenn, this isn't a personal attack against you. It's mainly against people LIKE you, not you. So don't use up your Midol and pretend not to care. :10_003:

[Jenn]

People such as yourself irritate me. I don't give a fuck what religion someone believes in, as long as they aren't just "going with the flow" and consciously choosing to be an ignorant idiot regarding things. Have reasons for your beliefs, backed up by at least some distantly related facts and/or knowledge of the areas you voice an opinion on, or alternately, shut the fuck up about things you obviously don't know anything about in the first place.

In your post, you basically said that you don't know jack shit but Christians are WRONG. Great job changing the focus from you not knowing anything, but being opinionated anyhow, to someone else being wrong. No one wants someone else to judge them, including Christians. It seems to me that you're the most judgmental person in this social group, and that's the main aspect of religion that seems to piss the most people off... the whole "I'm right, you're wrong and going to hell" concept.

Oh wait, and you're "Catholic, not by choice"? What's that supposed to mean? You got forced at gunpoint to confess to a priest, eat wafers, drink wine, get your children baptized as infants, etc? I kind of doubt that. If you're listed at a Catholic church as a member (to appease your husband, mother, etc.), and disregard the religion or the majority of its basis (e.g. Adam and Eve, the Bible in general), then you're just another judgmental hypocrite that makes your religion look like shit.

Again, I reiterate, I don't have a problem with religions. I have a problem with the assholes that abuse religion for selfish reasons. Most religions teach selflessness.

As to me? I don't hold a religion. It's obvious to anyone educated that the idea that people evolved from rocks (and yes, if you look into the evolution theory, that's pretty much what it boils down to) is mathematically and scientifically impossible, so I do believe there is something going on that we don't know about. I definitely don't want hypocritical assholes telling me what the answer is, though. I'm pretty sure if it's important enough that I find the answer before I die, that it will come without the help of ignorant idiots.

And Jenn, this isn't a personal attack against you. It's mainly against people LIKE you, not you. So don't use up your Midol and pretend not to care. :10_003:

I have my beliefs, you have yours. I was baptized catholic. I didnt chose it and I know I can change it. Im not judgemental when it comes to religion. I just have my beliefs. Telling me it's against people LIKE me is telling me that it's against me too. But, it's fine. It's how you feel. I never said Christians are wrong. Again, I just stated my beliefs. I could be wrong, Christians could be wrong, any religion could be wrong. ITS what the followers believe. You seem to have a thing with following me around when I do or say something and basically telling me what I say and how I meant it. You've done it on FY, and you're doing it here. Seriously, are you in my mind? Nope.

[Jenn]

People such as yourself irritate me. I don't give a fuck what religion someone believes in, as long as they aren't just "going with the flow" and consciously choosing to be an ignorant idiot regarding things. Have reasons for your beliefs, backed up by at least some distantly related facts and/or knowledge of the areas you voice an opinion on, or alternately, shut the fuck up about things you obviously don't know anything about in the first place.

In your post, you basically said that you don't know jack shit but Christians are WRONG. Great job changing the focus from you not knowing anything, but being opinionated anyhow, to someone else being wrong. No one wants someone else to judge them, including Christians. It seems to me that you're the most judgmental person in this social group, and that's the main aspect of religion that seems to piss the most people off... the whole "I'm right, you're wrong and going to hell" concept.

Oh wait, and you're "Catholic, not by choice"? What's that supposed to mean? You got forced at gunpoint to confess to a priest, eat wafers, drink wine, get your children baptized as infants, etc? I kind of doubt that. If you're listed at a Catholic church as a member (to appease your husband, mother, etc.), and disregard the religion or the majority of its basis (e.g. Adam and Eve, the Bible in general), then you're just another judgmental hypocrite that makes your religion look like shit.

Again, I reiterate, I don't have a problem with religions. I have a problem with the assholes that abuse religion for selfish reasons. Most religions teach selflessness.

As to me? I don't hold a religion. It's obvious to anyone educated that the idea that people evolved from rocks (and yes, if you look into the evolution theory, that's pretty much what it boils down to) is mathematically and scientifically impossible, so I do believe there is something going on that we don't know about. I definitely don't want hypocritical assholes telling me what the answer is, though. I'm pretty sure if it's important enough that I find the answer before I die, that it will come without the help of ignorant idiots.

And Jenn, this isn't a personal attack against you. It's mainly against people LIKE you, not you. So don't use up your Midol and pretend not to care. :10_003:

I would just like to add that Im not a member of any church. I haven't stepped foot inside a church since my son was baptized. And my son was baptized because my husband wanted it. He is christian and believes in the bible.

[suki]

You seem to have a thing with following me around when I do or say something and basically telling me what I say and how I meant it. You've done it on FY, and you're doing it here.

no, that's me.

but honestly...if you weren't so quick to defend yourself...we'd all get bored with bashing you.

its the same with buddha. mention either of your names three times, and much like beetlejuice or bloody mary you show up.

difference is, you guys show up with 83 lines of typed text just TRYING to get someone to respond to you.

stop being such a crybaby...and maybe everyone will just go ahead and forget you exist (I was gonna say leave you alone, but that would've been too generous)

on topic:

meh. I don't actually have anything else to say on topic.

fuck!

I tried...

[Cúchulainn]

I'm Catholic, not by choice. It's weird because I believe in God. There HAS to be a higher being, but I don't believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing. I don't believe in creation. I belive in Evolution. I don't believe God took Seven days to create the world.

Forgive me, because I never read the bible, and I am totally ignorant on the subject, but what about Dinosaurs? Who created dinosaurs?

Also, they say we have a soul, and when we die our body gets a little lighter..blah blah blah. Do I believe this? I dont know... See, I kind of think of our bodies like a car. The outside is the shell, and the engine is what controlls is(our brains) and once we die, it gets shut off, nothing else. No soul flies out. But I'm kind of torn with that.

Also I don't like how some muslims take their religion a little too seriously and kill because they'll get 13 virgins or something. Geeeze.

No, there doesn't HAVE to be a higher being.

No one created dinosaurs. No one created humans.

That... Is the worst analogy I have ever heard. You're an idiot.

Its 72. Shithead.


I would just like to add that Im not a member of any church. I haven't stepped foot inside a church since my son was baptized. And my son was baptized because my husband wanted it. He is christian and believes in the bible.

Um... Most Christians do believe in the Bible. That's what makes them Christians. And I find it appalling that you would willingly force a religion on your son. What kind of parent are you, to allow your husband to brainwash your poor son into ignoring rational thought and embracing complete fiction?

[Cúchulainn]

Blah, blah, blah, I'm a stupid pretentious religious fuckwad.

Shut the fuck up already!

[Cúchulainn]

My religion does not yet exist.

Because you're a raging fucking idiot and no one likes you. Go fucking blow your head off, you fucking wapanese shitstain. That way you can be useful. Go see if there is a god, and if there is, kick him in the dick for me, willya?

[KommieKat]

no, that's me.

but honestly...if you weren't so quick to defend yourself...we'd all get bored with bashing you.

its the same with buddha. mention either of your names three times, and much like beetlejuice or bloody mary you show up.

difference is, you guys show up with 83 lines of typed text just TRYING to get someone to respond to you.

stop being such a crybaby...and maybe everyone will just go ahead and forget you exist (I was gonna say leave you alone, but that would've been too generous)

on topic:

meh. I don't actually have anything else to say on topic.

fuck!

I tried...

You're bitching again and there you go gangbanging again as if you belong to some fucking cool cliche group of internet exclusive dweebs.

Get back on topic, bitch.

[Jenn]

No, there doesn't HAVE to be a higher being.

No one created dinosaurs. No one created humans.

That... Is the worst analogy I have ever heard. You're an idiot.

Its 72. Shithead.



Um... Most Christians do believe in the Bible. That's what makes them Christians. And I find it appalling that you would willingly force a religion on your son. What kind of parent are you, to allow your husband to brainwash your poor son into ignoring rational thought and embracing complete fiction?

I never willingly forced anything on my child. When he is old enough, he can CHANGE his religion. Im a good parent. Just because we had him baptized doesn't mean we are shitty parents.

[Jenn]

Because you're a raging fucking idiot and no one likes you. Go fucking blow your head off, you fucking wapanese shitstain. That way you can be useful. Go see if there is a god, and if there is, kick him in the dick for me, willya?

Don't speak for everyone. I like Buddha.

[Jenn]

You're bitching again and there you go gangbanging again as if you belong to some fucking cool cliche group of internet exclusive dweebs.

Get back on topic, bitch.

She is one of the most biggest bandwagon jumpers here. I have the idiot on ignore. You should do the same. She'll follow you around and jump on everything you say anyway.

Anyway, back on topic...

I always wondered something..

Do any of you consider Wiccan a religion? My friend is "wiccan" and I never knew it was a religion..

[Jenn]

I was raised baptist, but when I started seeing all the hypocracy in church I simply quit going and came to the conclusion that religion is man made and is used by the rich to control the poor. I believe there is 'good' and 'bad', however, and i think humans are born with the instinct to know the difference. I believe people should act a certain way every day, not just on sunday. I cannot say if I believe in 'this' or 'that'; I can ony say that I simpy don't know. So, I am no religion, and I dont "believe" any of it.

I sorta agree...


I see the hypocracy too. Im very confused as to what to believe really.

Fuck it... we're just some 8th grade science project gone wrong..

[Cúchulainn]

I never willingly forced anything on my child. When he is old enough, he can CHANGE his religion. Im a good parent. Just because we had him baptized doesn't mean we are shitty parents.

Yes, yes it does. Forcing religion on your poor kid means you are a shitty parent. You probably do things you shouldn't to your kid, too, don't you?

I hope you go to jail, sicko.


Don't speak for everyone. I like Buddha.

So no one likes either of you. Good for you.


She is one of the most biggest bandwagon jumpers here. I have the idiot on ignore. You should do the same. She'll follow you around and jump on everything you say anyway.

Anyway, back on topic...

I always wondered something..

Do any of you consider Wiccan a religion? My friend is "wiccan" and I never knew it was a religion..

Wicca is not a religion, its a bunch of stupid fucking teens who were raised Christian and so they're rebelling against their mommy and daddy by being pagans. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. I fucking hate Wiccans.

[Cúchulainn]

I sorta agree...


I see the hypocracy too. Im very confused as to what to believe really.

Fuck it... we're just some 8th grade science project gone wrong..

You might be an 8th grade science project gone wrong. That explains how you can be such a shitty parent and post such stupid bullshit at the same time!

If you're referring to the creationism vs. evolution debate, then if you're a creationist shithead who can ignore the massive amount of evidence supporting evolution, I guess you are god's 8th grade science experiment.

Which, in turn, would explain why idiots like you are born.

You know, there might be a god after all, 'cause evolution sure as hell doesn't explain shitty parents.

[Jenn]

Yes, yes it does. Forcing religion on your poor kid means you are a shitty parent. You probably do things you shouldn't to your kid, too, don't you?

I hope you go to jail, sicko.




Yep. I lock him in a dark closet, with a full pack of cigs, a lighter, some beer, and bleach. And a radio with christian music playing non stop..

Oh and I beat him too... with a 2 x4 :khi2d:

[Jenn]

Yes, yes it does. Forcing religion on your poor kid means you are a shitty parent. You probably do things you shouldn't to your kid, too, don't you?

I hope you go to jail, sicko.



So no one likes either of you. Good for you.



Wicca is not a religion, its a bunch of stupid fucking teens who were raised Christian and so they're rebelling against their mommy and daddy by being pagans. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. I fucking hate Wiccans.


You might be an 8th grade science project gone wrong. That explains how you can be such a shitty parent and post such stupid bullshit at the same time!

If you're referring to the creationism vs. evolution debate, then if you're a creationist shithead who can ignore the massive amount of evidence supporting evolution, I guess you are god's 8th grade science experiment.

Which, in turn, would explain why idiots like you are born.

You know, there might be a god after all, 'cause evolution sure as hell doesn't explain shitty parents.

You must hate all parents..

Did daddy beat you? Stick his peepee in your ass? Its ok boy.. you'll get over it someday.

If you dont agree with me baptising my child, go fuck yourself. Its nunya anyway. ;D

[Jenn]

Societysucks is also going on ignore. He has nothing good to say..

Sorry for hijacking shade.

[funeeman]

I was raised baptist, but when I started seeing all the hypocracy in church I simply quit going and came to the conclusion that religion is man made and is used by the rich to control the poor. I believe there is 'good' and 'bad', however, and i think humans are born with the instinct to know the difference. I believe people should act a certain way every day, not just on sunday. I cannot say if I believe in 'this' or 'that'; I can ony say that I simpy don't know. So, I am no religion, and I dont "believe" any of it.

I agree with your assessment of the church. I think the church is the biggest problem with religion. They are out to make money. Their doctrine and guidelines were written so they could have power over the people on way or another. The hypocrisy of my home church was so bad and the people so pious that it actually created struggles for me in my actual beliefs. But that was good because it challenged me to search for what I belive. I don't belive the bible is fact but rather written as a guideline for society. Basically a more technical version of your right and wrong. I belive that God is simply "Love", nothing more or nothing less. So I can belive in God because I can belive in love. But I belive in spirituality and energy rather than religion. People are made of it. When people die. . their energy continues to surround us, just not in the physical form and they can communicate with us if we know how to listen to that energy.

[funeeman]

Societysucks is also going on ignore. He has nothing good to say..

Sorry for hijacking shade.

Please add me as well. I feel dumber for actually trying to read your posts and even more moronic for trying find some type of value in them.

[KommieKat]

Personally, I am interested in the unconventional, unorthodox forms of the mainstream religions.

Islam has Sufism

Christianity has Gnosticism

Judiasm has the Kabbala

Buddhism has the spiritual sides like Zen and shamanic Thibetan.

[Pinkslit]

See, fucking religion caused this thread to be closed earlier.
Religion is the cause of all the world's problems...World Wars 1&2, the Iraq war, petrol prices going up, Australians being such dense cunts, AIDS and the bird flu.
Wipe out religion now and save the world. :yociexp34:

[Shade]

See, fucking religion caused this thread to be closed earlier.
Religion is the cause of all the world's problems...World Wars 1&2, the Iraq war, petrol prices going up, Australians being such dense cunts, AIDS and the bird flu.
Wipe out religion now and save the world. :yociexp34:

I think this is funny. Society sucks claims that the biggest reason he hates religion is because it pushes its beliefs on others. I tend to agree that most religions do, do that. But isnt that exactly what your doing now dude? Basicly you ARE the catholic church right now. That there doctrine. Be loud, obnoxious, violent and mean to anyone who doesnt agree with em about their religion, and once you beat them into submission reeducate them into accepting jesus fucking christ as there own personal savior, because he totally could of saved you from the catholic church!

[Shade]

She is one of the most biggest bandwagon jumpers here. I have the idiot on ignore. You should do the same. She'll follow you around and jump on everything you say anyway.

Anyway, back on topic...

I always wondered something..

Do any of you consider Wiccan a religion? My friend is "wiccan" and I never knew it was a religion..

Yes, wicca and paganism are among the older religions. More or less the big boys, especially christianity has takin most of their princeables and rituals from them. So the things that made the religion special like Winter Solstice, or Easter, are kinda yoinked by xmas, and undead jesus day.

There are 2 main branches of this now. There is the new wave 16 yearold rebels as SS talked about, and i agree, they suck. They are drawn usually to the emoness of the religion. Mainly because pagans have been persecued worse then any other religion through history. And they think thats cool. The other is the older aspects of it. Where in its basic princeables are harm no one, respect all especially nature, and that by doing something you will effect the forces of nature and it will be returned to you. Karma! The new kids believe in something called the law of 3, where shit comes back on you 3 fold, where the older aspect understands that it's more an abstract concept, and is a rule a thumb.

The main differnce between religions like wicca vs its eastern ancestor shintoism, is that there are no formal places of worship. It's more under the belief that nature and everywhere is spiritual. Hence there is never any army of holy warriors. I think we had one crew in history that ever got together to defend other pagans. They where wiped out by the roman army + the begaining of the catholic church + natural enemys. In other words they got there ass's handed to them.

The saddest thing is even in this time of learning, almost nothing mainstream survives from paganism. Infact it's commonly held still that warlocks are male witches. When infact they where basicly religious exterminators sent by the catholic church at the time. I think this is because druids and witches only recorded their personal feelings and relations, rather then any manifesto's or extensive history books. In otherwords we fucked ourselfs out of mainstream really having a chance to understand. But thats actually the whole point. The old school approach is basicly, no one really gives a fuck. It's a personal thing, and though its fun to share your beliefs with others, it's a very personal thing. We dont have any books that hold any common belief structure. Baiscly all we have is suggestions that are generally past down orally. Kinda like parenting in a way. No manuel, you do the best with what you got, and though you can see when someone is doing something really fucked up, you know its really not your place to tell anyone how to parent their kid.

[HerCUNTness]

What religion are you, and what are your views on it, and the other religions of the world. Discuss. I want to hear your thoughts.

I'm Lutheran. ( aka diet catholic, same basic idea -less frills)
I think that most religions have a place.. but the al queida ( or however you spell it) take it too far.
Religion is a personal thing , not a countrywide or national thing. Its your choice what you believe in, not the county , state or nation.

No one should dictate as to how or when or how often I choose to be religious. Its a personal choice, not something I should be acknowledged or disliked for.

[Firestorm]

I'm pagan. Simple enough.

[Polar Bear]

I'm agnostic.

Like any good agnostic, I didn't come by my current belief structure by choice, but moreso out of a lack of choices. When you look around and one day realize that everything you've been brought up to believe has foundations in horseshit, you start looking for other options.

But you see just as many glaring flaws and silly-ass, pointless ideas present in most other religions as well. So you turn into an Atheist for a while. But then you start to see the same pig headedness and failure to accept logic among their belief structure too.

Finally you give up and accept that you don't know a fucking thing, and neither does anyone else, despite their bullshit claims. And bam!..You become an Agnostic. Not because you chose to...but because all other choices are inherantly flawed.

Whatever happens after I die, I know that my 'religion' is the one beleif structure on the planet that can't be argued with. Because "I don't know" is the single most truthful and honest statement anyone has ever uttered regarding religion.

[Easytrigger]

I'm agnostic.

Like any good agnostic, I didn't come by my current belief structure by choice, but moreso out of a lack of choices. When you look around and one day realize that everything you've been brought up to believe has foundations in horseshit, you start looking for other options.

But you see just as many glaring flaws and silly-ass, pointless ideas present in most other religions as well. So you turn into an Atheist for a while. But then you start to see the same pig headedness and failure to accept logic among their belief structure too.

Finally you give up and accept that you don't know a fucking thing, and neither does anyone else, despite their bullshit claims. And bam!..You become an Agnostic. Not because you chose to...but because all other choices are inherantly flawed.

Whatever happens after I die, I know that my 'religion' is the one beleif structure on the planet that can't be argued with. Because "I don't know" is the single most truthful and honest statement anyone has ever uttered regarding religion.


My new Savior?

[Incognito]

I'm a very non-religious guy. I'm SO non-religious that I don't even know how to classify my beliefs.

Basically, I need proof in order to believe in a god. Not sure if thats Atheist or Agnostic... and don't really care enough to find out.

[Bunnee]

I dont know if I believe in 'god' or even if there is such a thing as a 'god'.

I do however believe in karma. Just a basic principle that if you are a good person and do good things, than good things will return to you.

Do bad things and karma will come and bite you in the ass.

I dont even know if that has anything to do with religion, but thats all I got.

[KommieKat]

I dont know if I believe in 'god' or even if there is such a thing as a 'god'.

I do however believe in karma. Just a basic principle that if you are a good person and do good things, than good things will return to you.

Do bad things and karma will come and bite you in the ass.

I dont even know if that has anything to do with religion, but thats all I got.

So you're saying that your bumper-sticker says:

My Karma ran over your dogma


Ahahahahaha. God damndest, I sure am funny.:77:

[Pinkslit]

I dont know if I believe in 'god' or even if there is such a thing as a 'god'.

I do however believe in karma. Just a basic principle that if you are a good person and do good things, than good things will return to you.

Do bad things and karma will come and bite you in the ass.

I dont even know if that has anything to do with religion, but thats all I got.

I would call it your religion as it is your belief system.
Mine consists of various beliefs lumped together to suit me.

[Polar Bear]

Mine consists of various beliefs lumped together to suit me.

Don't you feel that making up your own religion using bits & pieces of other religions lacks credibility?

I mean it sounds like you're just picking and choosing what to believe in based on your personal tastes. Sure, it makes for a convenient religion that allows you to do whatever pleases you, but isn't it essentially just making shit up as you go along?

How can you have faith in something when you know you just pieced it together using things that appealed to you?

[Pinkslit]

Don't you feel that making up your own religion using bits & pieces of other religions lacks credibility?

I mean it sounds like you're just picking and choosing what to believe in based on your personal tastes. Sure, it makes for a convenient religion that allows you to do whatever pleases you, but isn't it essentially just making shit up as you go along?

How can you have faith in something when you know you just pieced it together using things that appealed to you?

It works for me, other religions don't.
How can Christians have faith in a religion that is based on books, stories and fairy tales?

[Polar Bear]

It works for me, other religions don't.
How can Christians have faith in a religion that is based on books, stories and fairy tales?


Obviously it works for you, or you wouldn't have stuck with it.

As for Christians, I already gave up on looking to them for any semblance of logic a long time ago. But to answer your question, Christianity is at least based off of ancient scrolls, which predate your lifespan and could at least arguably be divine in origin.

On the other hand, you KNOW for a fact that your belief system is completely invented on the spot to suit yourself, yet I assume you have faith in it?

I don't understand how that's even possible, unless you've somehow brainwashed yourself. I hope you don't think I'm just attacking your beliefs as a whole here, my question is very specific. How do you overcome the lack of credibility issue?

[Pinkslit]

my question is very specific. How do you overcome the lack of credibility issue?

I don't believe there is a credibilty issue.
I am well read and have studied many religions, sects and cults. As I have said, I have selected certain things that to me ARE credible and have also come to conclusions of my own. These are not changeable to suit the occasion or my whim.

[Polar Bear]

I don't believe there is a credibilty issue.
I am well read and have studied many religions, sects and cults. As I have said, I have selected certain things that to me ARE credible and have also come to conclusions of my own. These are not changeable to suit the occasion or my whim.

Ah, I see. I misunderstood you then. Disregard.

[Shade]

Don't you feel that making up your own religion using bits & pieces of other religions lacks credibility?

I mean it sounds like you're just picking and choosing what to believe in based on your personal tastes. Sure, it makes for a convenient religion that allows you to do whatever pleases you, but isn't it essentially just making shit up as you go along?

How can you have faith in something when you know you just pieced it together using things that appealed to you?

I think taking bits and pieces of religions, like the stuff you personally believe in, and putting them together, into one belief structure is called spirituality. I respect that alot, it seems to be the only thing that DOESNT start wars. Also it sure as hell beats following blindly based on someone elses beliefs. I think part of the problem these days is that people look to the defenition of each religion instead of the spirituality.

For instance a christian can believe abortions are ok, a buddist can believe in fighting for fun, a jew can believe that muhamad was a very important prohpet. It seems most people follow these core beliefs and if they dont believe it, they pretend to, or they feel they gotta. All for the sake of classifying. Which in my oppoinion is retarded. I think pink's got it right

[suki]

my 12 year old started this convo with me last night.

said she wasn't sure if she believes in god or not. said that people do some whack shit (my words. not hers) in the name of belief...and lose their individuality (her words. not mine).

so...like a good mommy I played devil's advocate and tried (half-heartedly at least) to defend peoples' religious convictions. I pointed out the good that organized religion has provided society...while also recognizing the bad.

I did, however, tell her that mormons and fundamentalist muslims are crazy as fuck. I told her to read "Three Cups of Tea" to help understand how religion can influence populations (much like the military) with not alot else to cling to.

I could've agreed with everything she said about religion being stupid (in fact, I do)...

but I think the greater service to her was to get her to think...REALLY THINK..about it on her own and draw her own conclusions from a balanced perspective.

extremists on either end of the spectrum are just plain ol' fucking dangerous (and annoying).

[Shade]

my 12 year old started this convo with me last night.

said she wasn't sure if she believes in god or not. said that people do some whack shit (my words. not hers) in the name of belief...and lose their individuality (her words. not mine).

so...like a good mommy I played devil's advocate and tried (half-heartedly at least) to defend peoples' religious convictions. I pointed out the good that organized religion has provided society...while also recognizing the bad.

I did, however, tell her that mormons and fundamentalist muslims are crazy as fuck. I told her to read "Three Cups of Tea" to help understand how religion can influence populations (much like the military) with not alot else to cling to.

I could've agreed with everything she said about religion being stupid (in fact, I do)...

but I think the greater service to her was to get her to think...REALLY THINK..about it on her own and draw her own conclusions from a balanced perspective.

extremists on either end of the spectrum are just plain ol' fucking dangerous (and annoying).

I think there is a difference between religion and spirituality. Spirituality is one persons concious contact with god (higher power) religion is one groups of people who share and compermise spirituality to form a consistant belief. I have never once heard of a crime being commited in the name of spirituality. The closes i've heard is crimes that have spiritual expierences in them. Your daughter is right. Crimes in the name of religion are far to many to count.

I personally believe that people should ALWAYS be encouraged to find there own spirituality, there own beliefs in there own way. I still think religion is nothing more then an orgainized gang with some really good PR and some nice guiding princeables that are optional for the higher ups to follow. Call me cyncial, but my expierence is that the people who have the strongest of faiths don't visit churches and mosks and temples all that often. If they do, its for the expierence, not the leadership.

[KommieKat]

I personally believe that people should ALWAYS be encouraged to find there own spirituality, there own beliefs in there own way.

As much as we may disagree with other beliefs, they are lead to the same source eventually.

Different paths, same destination.

[Shade]

As much as we may disagree with other beliefs, they are lead to the same source eventually.

Different paths, same destination.

Agreed. further more, It seems humanity has all, in every religion, agreed what is good and right, but constantly disagree with what is wrong. IE taking someones life for no reason is wrong.

[suki]

I think there is a difference between religion and spirituality. Spirituality is one persons concious contact with god (higher power) religion is one groups of people who share and compermise spirituality to form a consistant belief.

we definitely touched on that. I told her that its possible (just possible) that religion isn't entirely off base...that the spiritual basis behind so many of them (not to mention all the nice entertaining stories) tend to run along the same threads. I said either people know something huge and are perverting b/c we're just not capable of handling it...or our nature is such that we corrupt the purest of things. I did tell her that most religions are ANCIENT. that societies are built upon their teachings. languages developed around them...so there MIGHT be something to them.



I have never once heard of a crime being commited in the name of spirituality.

I think thats a matter of semantics. I believe alot of crimes are driven by SPIRITUAL convictions, not exactly religious ones. churches themselves aren't always the driving force behind violence...



The closes i've heard is crimes that have spiritual expierences in them. Your daughter is right. Crimes in the name of religion are far to many to count.

she's a smart cookie. she get it from her momma.



I personally believe that people should ALWAYS be encouraged to find there own spirituality, there own beliefs in there own way. I still think religion is nothing more then an orgainized gang with some really good PR and some nice guiding princeables that are optional for the higher ups to follow. Call me cyncial, but my expierence is that the people who have the strongest of faiths don't visit churches and mosks and temples all that often. If they do, its for the expierence, not the leadership.

I'm thinking she's already a little too jaded for my taste. she spent the first 3 years in catholic school, I was married to a muslim man and my mother drug her to lutheran bible school. I thought she was getting a well-rounded view...but all it took was one made for tv mormon wives drama to piss her off to no end.

we'll see where she goes with this.

I'm guessing it'll take her a lifetime to figure it out.

[Shade]

I still dont know either way on how to expose a kid properly to religions. The non intrusive is to not force them to join anything, and answer questions as they arise, however i do like the ethics and morals it teaches to young kids. They usually grow out of the god shit when there older, like your daughter, and start questioning rather then blindly folow it. It's neat, in PA there are the amish. Around 18-25 you'll see a ton of amish guys at bars and amish girls slutting out. The openly invite them to test and challange there faith. I always liked that. It was encouraged rather then looked as a sign of weakness.

[suki]

^ meh. there's more to that than you might think.

they shelter those kids to the point that they are INCAPABLE of functioning in normal society...go off the deep-end during their free year and all but always end up crawling back to "the community" hung-over, herpe-fied and exhausted.

if they were actually giving these kids a fighting chance of making an informed choice...they'd provide them with realistic survival strategies outside of the womb of the church.


or...they're farming illegal crops.

either way...the amish crack me up. one guy used to get so hammered all the time that he'd crash in his buggy and his horse was set to autopilot to take him home.

[Violet]

I'm agnostic.

Like any good agnostic, I didn't come by my current belief structure by choice, but moreso out of a lack of choices. When you look around and one day realize that everything you've been brought up to believe has foundations in horseshit, you start looking for other options.

But you see just as many glaring flaws and silly-ass, pointless ideas present in most other religions as well. So you turn into an Atheist for a while. But then you start to see the same pig headedness and failure to accept logic among their belief structure too.

Finally you give up and accept that you don't know a fucking thing, and neither does anyone else, despite their bullshit claims. And bam!..You become an Agnostic. Not because you chose to...but because all other choices are inherantly flawed.

Whatever happens after I die, I know that my 'religion' is the one beleif structure on the planet that can't be argued with. Because "I don't know" is the single most truthful and honest statement anyone has ever uttered regarding religion.This is one of the reasons I consider myself agnostic.

The other is...well, I can't get into most faith-in-god(s) religions because I don't see any proof of it. At all.

Yet, I'd be a complete hypocrite if I were an atheist, because I don't see any proof that there isn't a god, or even some sort of force closely resembling one. Just as I wouldn't run around campaigning that there IS a god, I certainly wouldn't run around telling people that I know there isn't one.



I still dont know either way on how to expose a kid properly to religions.It's a toughie. I try not to show much opinion either way when it comes to religion and my son. People have told him that when people or animals die, they go to heaven. I let him believe that. Hell, he's 7. He doesn't need to be thinking too deeply about religion or death right now. Right now he just needs to be a kid and not concern himself with it, as far as I'm concerned.

Amusingly enough, until he started going to this after-school day care he now attends, the only time he'd even hear the words "Jesus Christ" was when I'd stub my toe or I'd hear some shocking news, etc.

During his first week there, he came home one day telling me, "Mom, they said Jesus wasn't a bad word."

[suki]

^ hahahahahahahahaha!

! (<----one more for emphasis)

[Shade]

This is one of the reasons I consider myself agnostic.

The other is...well, I can't get into most faith-in-god(s) religions because I don't see any proof of it. At all.

Yet, I'd be a complete hypocrite if I were an atheist, because I don't see any proof that there isn't a god, or even some sort of force closely resembling one. Just as I wouldn't run around campaigning that there IS a god, I certainly wouldn't run around telling people that I know there isn't one.

It's a toughie. I try not to show much opinion either way when it comes to religion and my son. People have told him that when people or animals die, they go to heaven. I let him believe that. Hell, he's 7. He doesn't need to be thinking too deeply about religion or death right now. Right now he just needs to be a kid and not concern himself with it, as far as I'm concerned.

Amusingly enough, until he started going to this after-school day care he now attends, the only time he'd even hear the words "Jesus Christ" was when I'd stub my toe or I'd hear some shocking news, etc.

During his first week there, he came home one day telling me, "Mom, they said Jesus wasn't a bad word."

man Vi, I totally would of been soooo proud!

[Stickman]

Born and baptised Catholic. But a complete atheist.

[Hardwood]

Born and baptised Catholic. But a complete atheist.

Same here except I am an agnostic. I always said I would genuflect the minute I saw "it' and was sure there was such an entity.


Fuck it, I'm an atheist too.