Forget the Myth of Overpopulation

[Josie]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n51_v9/ai_14719556

Okay, mc, is this sort of like the myth about Global Warming and Autism or what?

This looks like total bogus bs to me. Anyone else who cares to comment, be my guest.

[Polar Bear]

Well at first glance (I skimmed) it seems this report's main clause for calling bullshit on overpopulation is semantics.

It says that in order for you to have an over-population there must first be a standard that you've exceeded. For instance weight has a set standard for hieght and build that you can use to measure agaisnt in order to claim some one is over-weight. But, with our population, there's no set standard by which to measure against...because what number is it 'over' that makes it overpopulated?

Of course, the glaring and obvious flaw with this is that using this logic, there is absolutly no limit to the amount of people you can put on the Earth because literally at no point will we be overpopulated, so long as we never set a standard.

Any reasonable person would just laugh at this nonsence.

[mcsmc]

I believe I clearly stated that I didn't have time to find good sources, and that was just a random link from a 2 second Google search. But you didn't pay attention to that part, did you?

[mcsmc]

Well at first glance (I skimmed) it seems this report's main clause for calling bullshit on overpopulation is semantics.

It says that in order for you to have an over-population there must first be a standard that you've exceeded. For instance weight has a set standard for hieght and build that you can use to measure agaisnt in order to claim some one is over-weight. But, with our population, there's no set standard by which to measure against...because what number is it 'over' that makes it overpopulated?

Of course, the glaring and obvious flaw with this is that using this logic, there is absolutly no limit to the amount of people you can put on the Earth because literally at no point will we be overpopulated, so long as we never set a standard.

Any reasonable person would just laugh at this nonsence.

I agree that the logic in that article doesn't really exist. I should've just not posted anything until I'd found something decent.

[Josie]

I agree that the logic in that article doesn't really exist. I should've just not posted anything until I'd found something decent.

Well, you obviously had a point you were getting at... so, when you get a chance will you post something of worth. Because that was just... interesting.

[Shade]

The article is full of crap. I think anyone with logic can see that. Just because there isnt a standard WE have set, doesn't mean there isnt a standard. I think it would be something like this

a = total population
b = Total Waste
C = Total Births
D = Total Deaths
E = Total food
f = Total Space
G = Space needed for person

If C is greater then D and F is less then G, and B is greater then the averge of F and G then the world is over populated. If the sum of the entire equastion is > 0 we are ok. Otherwise we are over populated.

The only problem i see with this is that even if the amount of births exceed the amount of deaths, eventually nature will take its course. For instance, There is alot more starvation. Wars are fought with alot more people. Human life is valued less, places that no one would live because they are unsafe (IE near an active volcano) are getting condo rises. We are do for a massive out burst of death soon. also take a look at yellow stone national park. That volcano is suppose to go super nova style between no and the next 100 years. If that happens its projected to wipe out the US or some shit. It's some insane natural disaster. Lesson, We can't really get "over" populated in a sense because nature including our self nature, will keep us dead before then, however we can certinly have more people on earth then is really comfortable.

[mcsmc]

Well, you obviously had a point you were getting at... so, when you get a chance will you post something of worth. Because that was just... interesting.

Okay, will do.

Here (http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/3046/overpop.htm), here (http://www.jefflindsay.com/Overpop.shtml), and here (http://www.juntosociety.com/guest/sperlazzo/bs_opm1010903.html) are some good sources I think. That last link, the page creators were dumbasses, so you have to highlight all of the text on the page to read it, since it disappears after a few paragraphs if you don't, but trust me there's (good) text all the way down the page. I didn't completely read them, I skimmed to make sure they're more what I was aiming for. Happy reading.

[suki]

let's just forget all the semantics for a second and try it this way:

raise your hand if you:

a. would like 43 new neighbors
b. don't hate half the ignorant fucks already surrounding you
c. think our environment is "just fine"
d. are willing to change your entire way of life, live in cube-ized high-rise housing, eat cube-ized (fuck you. I like the word cube-ized) space saving genetically engineered and artificially manufactured food
e. like breathing exhaust
f. are willing to sacrifice all "luxuries" from your lifestyle due to swift, radical and quite necessary economic changes due to the overwhelming number of fucknuts our resources are being (or will be) forced to accommodate


no takers?


riiight. I didn't think so.

[Shade]

let's just forget all the semantics for a second and try it this way:

raise your hand if you:

a. would like 43 new neighbors
b. don't hate half the ignorant fucks already surrounding you
c. think our environment is "just fine"
d. are willing to change your entire way of life, live in cube-ized high-rise housing, eat cube-ized (fuck you. I like the word cube-ized) space saving genetically engineered and artificially manufactured food
e. like breathing exhaust
f. are willing to sacrifice all "luxuries" from your lifestyle due to swift, radical and quite necessary economic changes due to the overwhelming number of fucknuts our resources are being (or will be) forced to accommodate


no takers?


riiight. I didn't think so.

i like the word cube-ized to, its hawt.

I think there really good points however i think people naturally adapt to their envirement. Most of that is already in effect in china. The seem able to survive.

[InterStella]

i like the word cube-ized to, its hawt.

I think there really good points however i think people naturally adapt to their envirement. Most of that is already in effect in china. The seem able to survive.

I don't disagree that the world is, indeed, roomy enough for plenty more people. But unfortunately most of the population live in a small proportion of the available land.

Yes, I believe this is already in effect in China. But - are the people that live in the over-populated cities (all over the world) happy with the rabbit hutches they inhabit? I doubt it.

Are the people that live 15-to-a-hut happy? Well, probably moreso than the former.

The fact will remain, though, that a whole lot of the face of the earth is not *really* suitable for any human inhabitation of any longevity. Rivers, seas and oceans are rising... so in my estimation, the availability can only diminish.

[suki]

I think space is the least of our considerations in terms of "overpopulation" (I prefer the term infestation, myself)...

I'm more concerned with food, clean air, drinking water and not wiping out every other species on the planet.


that being said...

I'm just another pregnant hypocrate adding to the density.

anyone wanna rent a giant suv for the weekend and go pesticide shopping?

[KommieKat]

I think technology will come along and save the day.

I lectured a class of Japanese engineers with Mitsubishi Semiconductors.
I asked them what percentage of your work can be done at home.
Most all answered that 60% or more could be done at home.

So, if these workers have optic fiber connection, they can live out in the countryside and not need to come into work, creating congestion.

Also, and don't laugh, the Transporter like in Star Trek. With that thing, you can live anyplace you desire.

[Josie]

I think technology will come along and save the day.

I lectured a class of Japanese engineers with Mitsubishi Semiconductors.
I asked them what percentage of your work can be done at home.
Most all answered that 60% or more could be done at home.

So, if these workers have optic fiber connection, they can live out in the countryside and not need to come into work, creating congestion.

Also, and don't laugh, the Transporter like in Star Trek. With that thing, you can live anyplace you desire.

That's really great and all, and I think *could* be true... however, technology needs to be supported by resources.

[mcsmc]

That's really great and all, and I think *could* be true... however, technology needs to be supported by resources.

Actually, new resources are being discovered every day. Within the last 100 years, we've developed the technology to harness solar and nuclear energy, to name two. And the efficiency of using the energy we do have improves daily as well. I have to disagree with you that resources are a problem.

Unless you're talking about documented research for future technologies. It's out there, you just have to subscribe to specialized tech journals for the good stuff. You can find a number of technology-oriented websites if you know how to look, as well.

[Josie]

Actually, new resources are being discovered every day. Within the last 100 years, we've developed the technology to harness solar and nuclear energy, to name two. And the efficiency of using the energy we do have improves daily as well. I have to disagree with you that resources are a problem.

Unless you're talking about documented research for future technologies. It's out there, you just have to subscribe to specialized tech journals for the good stuff. You can find a number of technology-oriented websites if you know how to look, as well.

Keep in mind you're talking to the google search challenged blonde here...

[KommieKat]

There is also the opposite spectrum.
In Japan, there is a zero population problem.
The population of the elderly is causing a strain on the welfare projects and not enough youth to support them into retirement.

They are a xenophobic nation to the max and there is no way they will change their immigration policies, even though they could use an influx of new, fresh blood.

So, how will they cope?
Robotics. Japan is investing heavily into Robotic R & D.
They are counting on this to replace the workforce.
Most major manufacturing is 80% robotics now.
You can see it in the family Kaitenzushi shop (rotating sushi).
There is a machine that forms the rice for the sushi.