The Weight Challenge

[Negativecool]

The next challenge I've set for myself is to run 3 miles in under 20 minutes (I would consider 19:59 successful). Not just once, but every day this week.
11 Seconds short. Was doing well until 16 minutes into it. Then I couldn't get enough oxygen in.

A-N-G-R-Y

I like exceeding goals; missing goals fucking pisses me off. This week will suck ass.

[SittinGrumpy]

11 Seconds short. Was doing well until 16 minutes into it. Then I couldn't get enough oxygen in.

A-N-G-R-Y

I like exceeding goals; missing goals fucking pisses me off. This week will suck ass.


It happens. So try again tomorrow? You will get it as long as you keep working at it.

[KommieKat]

Push-ups are no longer just push-ups....................

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/training-day/201103/killer-abs-try-some-push-ups

[SittinGrumpy]

Any sample playlist of what you listen to when you work out?

[Josie]

Hall of the Mountain King! (apocalyptica style)

Lurrrrve...

[SittinGrumpy]

I am down 3 inches in my waist and 4.5 in my bust.... woooooooooohoooooooooooo

[Josie]

I haven't weighed, measured %, roped, choked, or anything else lately. I have no idea how I'm doing hehe... BUT!! my teeny tiny sickeningly cute sister in law bought a pair of size 4 pants that are too big for her .. and forced me to try them on (even with my insisting there is NO way I would fit in them.)

Little tight, but HO LEE !! they fit :)

Either they're hugely the wrong cut for 4's.. or I'm shrinking ! :yociexp108:

[Josie]

According to your height of 5' 6" your ideal healthy weight (http://www.healthstatus.com/#) is 139 pounds. Your recommended weight range is between 123 and 154 pounds.
source: http://www.healthstatus.com/cgi-bin/calc/calculator.cgi

This doesn't sound right... I'm at 135 & 22% right now.. and feel like a whale. Personally, my goal is 115-118 OR a reasonable % body fat.


I'm thinking the current 'recommendations' for stuff is reflecting 'developed' countries' obesity rates :baffled:

[SittinGrumpy]

Personally, my goal is 115-118

I think you have to go with where you are happy as long as you are healthy. My doctor changed my goal weight based on my statue and history.

[CrAnIuM]

This doesn't sound righ

USE AR600-9?

I posted it in this thread waaaaay back ...

[SittinGrumpy]

posted it in this thread waaaaay back .

page 1, post 12.

[Josie]

page 1, post 12.

Thank you. I was definitely not going to go find it.

[Josie]

USE AR600-9?

I posted it in this thread waaaaay back ...

uhhm.. if i read the chart right, it says 156.

[SittinGrumpy]

hm.. if i read the chart right, it says 156.

You are 1/2 right. The MINIMUM for your height is 117 the max in 156; anything under 117 you would be sent for a med evaluation.

[Negativecool]

Personally, my goal is 115-118 OR a reasonable % body fat.
I don't know who you are for realzies but, should you get down to this, I will find you and pee in your butt.

Now, Grumpster, to address my failure to meet my previous goal of 3 miles in under 20 minutes. My next go at it met with even worse failure. I started out with a side ache, which I can deal with; however, it progressed to my whole right rectus abdominis cramping up in which the left side quickly followed. I've never run with such pain, I missed the mark by a good 3 minutes.
The following day was much better. No side aches, but a miscalculation of pacing had me miss the mark by a mere 2 seconds. A-N-G-R-Y

Today I went at it knowing I was going to meet the goal but the question was by how much?
19 minutes 48 seconds
I feel I could have done better---that there was more left in the tank; however, I still crossed the finish line sucking wind, felt seconds away from puking, and was getting absolutely punished by lactic acid. So, I think I'll just leave it at that and say it's good enough for me. A friend of mine that used to run track in college told me he's done it in just over 17 minutes....well fuck him. As far as I'm concerned only queers run that well.

I think this marks the point were I de-emphasize cardio and start concentrating on building muscle back. It's pretty difficult to put that much effort into cardio and follow that up with an hour/hour and a half of lifting. After 16 weeks, 7 days a week, I'm pretty fuckin sick of it. I think I'll just do a general cardio warmup from now on---but I do like what all the cardio has done for my lung capacity, heart rate, and blood pressure.

....


In case any of you wanted to know..

[Josie]

MINIMUM for your height is 117

This makes me laugh. This is what I weighed for a year after the first kid was born. My husband was soooo embarrassed of his fatty fat wife (while he was 240) and would constantly go on and on and on about how I *really* should lose that last 20 pounds.

:khi6i:

[SlimSkeeter]

This makes me laugh. This is what I weighed for a year after the first kid was born. My husband was soooo embarrassed of his fatty fat wife (while he was 240) and would constantly go on and on and on about how I *really* should lose that last 20 pounds.

Control freak Dominant without the class, skill, or wherewithal to exercise his control without belittling and degrading his wifey. Destroy that which you cannot control, apparently. I STILL say you look wonderful, but my opinion doesn't count here.

[Josie]

I STILL say you look wonderful, but my opinion doesn't count here.

Yes it does :)
I let him bring me way. way. way. down long time ago. My friends and family made the effort to bring me back up and make clear that I should accept that what *I* want for *myself* is the priority. Yes.. it's simple. But I bogged myself down in the minutia of asshole-ism. I am ten times more confident now than I was.. and that's due to my splendiferous friends!!

..even the ones who (when i was mucho fat ass preggers woman) said "your butt does this cute little figure 8 when you walk"

:77: :yociexp77: :2_002:

[CrAnIuM]

but my opinion doesn't count here.

Sure it does ... after the laughter dies away.

[SlimSkeeter]

even the ones who (when i was mucho fat ass preggers woman) said "your butt does this cute little figure 8 when you walk"

I'm amazed at some of the stuff you remember...>_>



But I simply meant that YOUR opinion is the one that counted in that area. I can compliment you until I'm blue in the face but if you don't feel it..it's only so many words.

I'm glad you are mucho more confident...I've watched that change happen and I am very proud of you for finding that in you. I've been rooting for you the whole way.

[SlimSkeeter]

Sure it does ... after the laughter dies away.

Can't hear it from here.

[Josie]

Sure it does ... after the laughter dies away.

Says you who's obsessed with mamba... and yet no one says anything. mhmm. sure.

[CrAnIuM]

obsessed with mamba

Damn it ...

I thought I was being all nonchalant and what not.

[SlimSkeeter]

Damn it ...

I thought I was being all nonchalant and what not.

Meh... I have to wipe your drool from my screen whenever she puts up new pictures. Other than that, yeah, real stealthy!

[SittinGrumpy]

I have to wipe your drool from my screen whenever she puts up new pictures

You have been busy tonight then lol

[Mamba]

Damn it ...

I thought I was being all nonchalant and what not.

You're too cute.

[SittinGrumpy]

I have decided to train for a 5k.

[CrAnIuM]

I have decided to train for a 5k.


:54_002:

[SittinGrumpy]

I will make sure you get a pic of me crossing the finish line... just for that smilie of doubt

[KommieKat]

I have decided to train for a 5k.

Be sure you train for it. Doing marathons is no laughing matter. I've done two so far and you really really need to prepare. You'll be thankful you did.

[SittinGrumpy]

Its a six week training, its only 3.2 miles and I have walked them before, just not this fat.

[Mamba]

I'm not fat, but I do have extra weight round my hips - I wish my love handles would love someone else.

I'm going for another 15km cycle on Wednesday as well. I just put my ipod on and don't even notice the exercise (really - apart from the sweat pouring off me) (even on resistance 5) :D

Maybe I can get up to 20km soon.... I seem to have pretty good stamina.

I just want to be trim for bikini season....

[CrAnIuM]

I just want to be trim for bikini season....

:41_002:

[SittinGrumpy]

Down 18.2 lbs since first of February!!!!

[CrAnIuM]

Down 18.2 lbs since first of February!!!!


:38_002:

[SittinGrumpy]

:38_002:

How is the PX90 going?

[CrAnIuM]

How is the PX90 going?


Day 13 today.

Has some really good points and some laughable bullshit points... so laughable in fact that I've basically tossed two dvd into the corner and doubled up on the other workouts.

I'll give a full report on day 31.

[KommieKat]

Welp, looks like am going to fail this two years in a row and I'm the one who made the challenge.

Shame is me.

[SittinGrumpy]

Shame is me.

Pffft, just dont give up and you will get there.


I have been on a rollercoaster of weight loss, I have a great week then two horrible weeks but I am not giving up until i am at my goal.

My dad and I are going to walk a 5k together this summer, there is a long history here of my this is so special to me, anyhow... this is my next goal.

[Mamba]

Pffft, just dont give up and you will get there.


I have been on a rollercoaster of weight loss, I have a great week then two horrible weeks but I am not giving up until i am at my goal.

My dad and I are going to walk a 5k together this summer, there is a long history here of my this is so special to me, anyhow... this is my next goal.

Kudos :)

[SittinGrumpy]

Still trudging along. Lost two lbs this week... YAY ME.

I am training for a 5k in July with my Dad. So I am walking a track daily, then walking hiking trails on the weekend.

So, I am having an issue that I hope someone can help me with. Most know I have a sever back issue, major numbness in my left leg... blah blah.

Anyhow, about 2/3's into a mile my lower left leg begins to burn, not like a normal muscle burn, by the time I am into lap 4 I am limping.

I don't really care why it is doing it, I just want to know how to make it stop or help. Keep in mind I take 6 percocets a day for pain and this pain is bad enough that I notice lol

[Negativecool]

Still trudging along. Lost two lbs this week... YAY ME.

I am training for a 5k in July with my Dad. So I am walking a track daily, then walking hiking trails on the weekend.

So, I am having an issue that I hope someone can help me with. Most know I have a sever back issue, major numbness in my left leg... blah blah.

Anyhow, about 2/3's into a mile my lower left leg begins to burn, not like a normal muscle burn, by the time I am into lap 4 I am limping.

I don't really care why it is doing it, I just want to know how to make it stop or help. Keep in mind I take 6 percocets a day for pain and this pain is bad enough that I notice lol
You get this every time? There's a ton of things it could be due to, but I don't have specific details to really provide good help (details like your body mechanics, alignment, motor programing, etc)
I don't know the details of your current back pain though clearly symptoms are severe. The new symptoms you describe, I'm assuming here, are probably related as they are more than likely neurological, but "lower left leg", doesn't really help me diagnose what spinal level is being aggravated. These new neurological symptoms can be due to anything...could be a small leg length discrepancy, pelvic malalignment, hypo/hypermobile joints, poor body mechanics/posture, etc..I dunno I'd have to get my hands on you.

I think you saw physical therapy for your current back symptoms(?). So I would definitely concentrate on any core strengthening exercises they provided. It seems pretty basic, but a strong core with good muscular endurance usually helps ease back pain. I would also (if your current symptoms tolerate it) do some rotational, flexion, extension stretching exercises for the lumbar spine (which I'm sure have already been provided, if not - ask)
How's your shoes? Pretty worn out or do they provide good support to the "inner foot" and arch?
Any problems with your feet? Alignment and mechanics of the foot contribute a lot to back pain. (things like flat feet etc)

It's great you're training for a 5k and if you're going to run/walk it no matter what that's fine I suppose. But with your symptoms, as severe as they are, I think the "safer" route would be to do it on a treadmill as a treadmill would provide some give and lessen impact, as well as the fact that you wouldn't constantly have to turn left or right like you're forced to on a track. Just sayin.

[SittinGrumpy]

You get this every time? There's a ton of things it could be due to, but I don't have specific details to really provide good help (details like your body mechanics, alignment, motor programing, etc)
I get it every time we walk the track; it does not happen on hiking trails... I don’t think, it hasn’t hurt me enough to notice when hiking. I am short, fat and out of shape.

don't know the details of your current back pain though clearly symptoms are severe.
I have herniated and bulging disk, my sciatica is completely impacted to the point they do not think I will ever fell my leg completely again.


but "lower left leg", doesn't really help me
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/Rpgdude_2006/leg.jpg
From red line to red line.


I think you saw physical therapy for your current back symptoms(?)
Yes, since February, he has been on vacation since mid May and I do not see him for another couple of weeks, but I cannot stop training for that long. I am working on core strength mostly with him. He recently added some tension strengthen (forgive my lack of correct wording).

How's your shoes? Pretty worn out or do they provide good support to the "inner foot" and arch?
I have the stretchers walking shoes; they are less than 6 months old and have only normal wear.


Any problems with your feet?
Only this pain, I feel it on the side of my foot.

"safer" route would be to do it on a treadmill
I do not have a treadmill and cannot currently join a gym. I am working on getting a pool up to help but do to some bullshit I am having issues with that.

Any of this help? lol

[Negativecool]

-Does your original pain also affect the left leg?
-When you get your new symptoms, at any point does it feel like it goes down the whole leg or is it exclusively in the area of the red lines?
-If you don't get it when you hike, do you hike the same distance? If so, instead of a treadmill could you find a route utilizing sidewalks...ya know, something more straight?

[Josie]

I just read back to my last post about bf %
Messed up! I've lost 5 pounds and am still registering at 22% body fat.
But I've gone down two.. wait three jeans sizes?
yeahiono
9->7->5-> now 3

[Grim_Legion]

since i left the army in 1986, i work out 45-60 min a day, at least 5 days a week, i have a BMI of 24.9 (1,69m by 71kg), i find i can pretty much eat or drink anything in any quantity as long as i work out at least 5 days a week. its such a routine part of my life, i would guess for those trying to lose weight, it needs to be a sustainable diet/exercise regime that can quite easily be maintained lifelong. I have seen so many people try fast diets, high intensity workout programs, sure they lose the weight, but a year later they have gained it all back plus more.

[SittinGrumpy]

-Does your original pain also affect the left leg?

Yes. My left leg has been greatly affected by my back issue. The compression of the sicatica is at L4 and L5 this has left me with very little feeling and shooting/stabbing pain in the same leg.


-When you get your new symptoms, at any point does it feel like it goes down the whole leg or is it exclusively in the area of the red lines?

Just the area inbetween the red lines.


f you don't get it when you hike, do you hike the same distance? If so, instead of a treadmill could you find a route utilizing sidewalks...ya know, something more straight?

Nope, we hike farther then we walk. We are going hiking this weekend so I will see if it does affect me. It has all week, so this will be a good test to see if it is the track.

We do always circle left on the track, wonder if we circled right if it would do the same.

[Negativecool]

We do always circle left on the track, wonder if we circled right if it would do the same.
Bingo

[SittinGrumpy]

So, if any of you have read my blogs you know i have a lot of weight to lose. Well in the last two weeks 7 people have said what a difference they have seen so I decided, against my better judgment, to share a 2010 pic and a 2011 pic.

Feb 2010:
http://swollencranium.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2582&d=1308030933

June 2011:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/Rpgdude_2006/Blogs/me.jpg


It's slow as fuck but I am getting there.

[CrAnIuM]

It's slow as fuck but I am getting there.

In the case of excess BF ... slow does win the race.

[SittinGrumpy]

In the case of excess BF ... slow does win the race.


Indeed... I am averaging 1 pound a week, wanting 2 a week lol I'll post again in a year to see if there is a difference.

[Josie]

1 pound a week

:biggrin: I already kudo'd you, but still.. kudos!

[KommieKat]

Indeed... I am averaging 1 pound a week, wanting 2 a week lol I'll post again in a year to see if there is a difference.

Have you considered fasting? Did you know the English word "Breakfast" contains the word and it's concept of fasting. You fast for 8 hours before waking up. When you go to eat, you are literally 'breaking your fast' hence "Breakfast".

So, if you can do it for 8 hours every night, maybe you can start to do it just once a week. Make Sundays your fast day.
Fasting gives the body a chance to rest and detox. You can, to ease yourself into it, just do only salads that day or fruits that day or fruit juices. If you are bolder, try only water.

Eating constantly puts strain and wear on your insides, being the digestive system. Observe your pets and see what they do when injured or sick. They go curl up in a corner and fast, to give the bodies full attention to the illness or injury, knowing that digestion requires so much energy.

Fasting can be a way for you to make a self-challenge and conquer something in your life. Keep in mind how the Industrial Revolution has altered our evolutionary heritage of eating and that we, Americans, are histories fattest and sedentary people with diseases that are preventable.

[SittinGrumpy]

Have you considered fasting?

Thanks for your opinion :)

[SittinGrumpy]

Bingo

Nope not bingo. So I walked the other way and still major pain, after one mile I am limping. So then I walked in the dirt and my right one started to hurt too... *sigh* I only have three weeks and two days til the walk.

I think tonight I am going to wrap it in an ace bandage and see if that helps.

Thanks for your help... lubs you much :)

[Negativecool]

Nope not bingo. So I walked the other way and still major pain, after one mile I am limping. So then I walked in the dirt and my right one started to hurt too... *sigh* I only have three weeks and two days til the walk.

I think tonight I am going to wrap it in an ace bandage and see if that helps.

Thanks for your help... lubs you much :)
I haven't helped for shit. And I didn't necessarily say "bingo" as in "that's what it is." I meant that's a really good place to start to rule things out. On the plus side it's probably not a leg length discrepancy nor an off kilter pelvic joint. I still think you should find yourself a nice straight route like a road, but whatev.
Since I can't really see what's happening I can't really give you good help...and I'm kinda NOT a PT yet---sooooo... sorry. But from what I'm reading it sounds like you're aggravating your original symptoms. Once this fucking 5k bullshit is done, I say get on an elliptical or bike or pool to do cardio without aggravating your symptoms. The more weight you lose the more walking tolerance you'll gain.

Also, 1 lb a week is a good pace. Keep it up.

[SittinGrumpy]

I haven't helped for shit. And I didn't necessarily say "bingo" as in "that's what it is." I meant that's a really good place to start to rule things out. On the plus side it's probably not a leg length discrepancy nor an off kilter pelvic joint. I still think you should find yourself a nice straight route like a road, but whatev.
Since I can't really see what's happening I can't really give you good help...and I'm kinda NOT a PT yet---sooooo... sorry. But from what I'm reading it sounds like you're aggravating your original symptoms. Once this fucking 5k bullshit is done, I say get on an elliptical or bike or pool to do cardio without aggravating your symptoms. The more weight you lose the more walking tolerance you'll gain.

Also, 1 lb a week is a good pace. Keep it up.

Well you have tried to help... and I really appreciate that.

I am going to walk the train tracks tonight, they are pretty straight. We didnt hike this past weekend so I am not sure how that will go, we are going this weekend so I shall see.

The 5k isn't bullshit :( it actually means a lot to me. My dad was a runner for years, we did road races often. In 2007 he fell down a flight of stairs and hasnt ran since. This will be his first road race since then and he agreed to walk it with me. Means a lot to me.

I had a pool, we went to put it up at the new place this past weekend and found the liner is dry rotted, so now I am trying to raise the money to replace it by selling everything I can. The pool would help in so many ways... so I am working on it.

Again, thanks for trying to help :)

[SittinGrumpy]

So... an update on the walk and the leg. I did walk on the sidewalk and had little pain. I don't know if it is because it was the sidewalk or because I wrapped my leg or a combo of both. Anyhow, it helped.

The walk is in 9 days and I have been on my ass with bronchitis for the last six. So I feel like I am behind the ball but I will get through it, even if that means with a cane in one hand and an inhaler in the other lol.

I got dad and I matching shirts, I know most of you think this is silly and that is ok....my dad is the greatest man I have ever known and to do this with him by my side means more to me then anyone will ever know. I may post pics after :)

[CrAnIuM]

Welp, looks like am going to fail this two years in a row and I'm the one who made the challenge.

Shame is me.


So .. 2012 now.

Last time I was on Facebook I noticed that a few folks in this thread have packed on the pounds big time. Well, at least their recent pics show it that way.

Hell, as usual for me in winter I've gotten a bit softer than I usually like to be.


The P90X plan I had a while back was working great, my arms, chest and back were showing obvious signs of change and I put on a few pounds of muscle, but over the last four months I've been unable to put full effort into workouts, for one reason or another. (nunya)

I'm back in a position and healthy enough to start again, and will do so as of tomorrow, but have decided to not do the bulking up plan and go for lean instead. I don't like eating all the calories it takes to grow quality muscles.


Remember kids ..... 'Spring' clothing time is only ~two months away for those of us in the warmer zone, ya can't hide your wiggly belly and flabby arm meat under long shirts and heavy coats forever !!

[Dirty Hippie]

I have been the same weight plus or minus about 2 pounds for the last 10 years. That is including holiday gorgefests and everything. Recently my wife developed a gluten intolerance (well she probably developed it years ago, but just realized it) and I suddenly drop 5 pounds even though I hardly changed my diet. Shit's crazy yo.

[Zeabot]

Last time I was on Facebook I noticed that a few folks in this thread have packed on the pounds big time. Well, at least their recent pics show it that way.
My weight fluctuates incredibly. Right now I am in the process of losing the weight on put on during my month off of school/holiday times. I think I have come to the conclusion that my metabolism is nearly non-existent. One day of crud not only wipes out 5 days of working out, but still causes me to gain weight. *Sigh* Major life-style changes will be needed when I'm not in this sexy young body.

[SittinGrumpy]

still losing but not really talking about it with all the other bullshit in my life.

[Firestorm]

I'm back in a position and healthy enough to start again

Think you're healthy? Go try a water aerobics class. Sounds all girly and stuff right? I took it with my girls and couldn't walk the day after the first class.

[Josie]

Recently my wife...

You're a dude? =/ I'm sorry, for the longest, I thought you were a female.


For me: I'm not sure if where I stand as of my last posting. (nor do I feel like looking right now). But I'm definitely no fatty ! kind of. heh.

I've got more work I want to do but 'packed on the pounds' certainly ain't this Josie :P

[Dirty Hippie]

You're a dude? =/ I'm sorry, for the longest, I thought you were a female.

I guess maybe I can see how that could happen. I hate most "manly" things like sports and I like a lot of "womanly" things like cooking and arts & crafts. But no, I have an outtie instead of an innie.

[Mamba]

Right.... so I need to get in shape... I gave up gym a while ago and I suck.

So I'm actually looking into exercises to do @ home, and not pay out major for gym membership. Yups.

[Zeabot]

looking into exercises to do @ home
#1 exercise is running. I don't care what anyone says. You can do it in almost any circumstances, it is a body-weight work out, it works your entire body if you have proper form, and you can do it anywhere.

[CrAnIuM]

#1 exercise is running.


Are you mocking me ?

[Titty]

you can do it anywhere

But not necessarily safely. Running on hard surfaces can be quite tough on your knees. Also, utilizing poor form (as most do until shown proper technique) is almost certain to ensure injury.

I'm of the informed opinion there are plenty of alternatives that offer a quality workout with less impact.

[Zeabot]

Are you mocking me ?
Whaaaaaat?




plenty of alternatives that offer a quality workout with less impact.
This is 100% true. In fact, I don't run all the time for my cardio for that exact reason. My knees are poop. But, I do my best and work on the elliptical machines on my bad days.
I just meant running is the easiest, most effective, and cheapest at home work out.
Other alternatives are: buying cardio machines, P90-X or some other at home workout series, or learning pilates or yoga, since women love that shit.

[CrAnIuM]

P90-X .....................since women love that shit.


Hey!!!

You ARE mocking me.

[Zeabot]

You ARE mocking me.
I didn't know you were a yoga guru. And P90X seems pretty cool, but I'm not sold on the effectiveness of video work outs. I think the success from those programs comes more from people actually doingthe work outs.

[KommieKat]

Nobody mentions High Intensity Workouts.

You know, on the spot 100 jumping jacks then 20 burpees, 100 more jumping jacks, 20 push-ups, more jumping jacks, crunches, ski moves so forth so forth....

[Dirty Hippie]

Nobody mentions High Intensity Workouts.

You know, on the spot 100 jumping jacks then 20 burpees, 100 more jumping jacks, 20 push-ups, more jumping jacks, crunches, ski moves so forth so forth....

Or you could just do this stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF2sYYvBtVw

[CrAnIuM]

^^ I can't believe that that video only has one comment.

[Mamba]

#1 exercise is running. I don't care what anyone says. You can do it in almost any circumstances, it is a body-weight work out, it works your entire body if you have proper form, and you can do it anywhere.

Oh yeah, that's true. Except it's bloody freezing, for serious. I don't go outside without at least 5 layers on. I know running warms you up, but ugh. The idea of running is just no at the moment.


But not necessarily safely. Running on hard surfaces can be quite tough on your knees. Also, utilizing poor form (as most do until shown proper technique) is almost certain to ensure injury.

I'm of the informed opinion there are plenty of alternatives that offer a quality workout with less impact.

Yeah I used to run down the beach, running on sand is difficult!


Nobody mentions High Intensity Workouts.

You know, on the spot 100 jumping jacks then 20 burpees, 100 more jumping jacks, 20 push-ups, more jumping jacks, crunches, ski moves so forth so forth....

What are burpees? I can't do a push-up to save my life. I tried a few times = FAIL. I could do jumping jacks though. Ski moves?

[CrAnIuM]

What are burpees? I can't do a push-up to save my life.

If you no can do push ups then Burpee is not for you.

The burpeee has been around for my entire life, I remember doing a variation when I was in Junior high. ( early 80's)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVZ090xHlFA&feature=related




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And if ya wanna fix your push ups issues, start by doing them on your knees only. Eventually you'll get to the full plank position.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_7s7UpNbWg

[Negativecool]

^^ I can't believe that that video only has one comment.
I know right? Especially given that there is probably more than one person out there interested in physically impressive completely flaming homos.

[Josie]

physically impressive completely flaming homos.

*chortle*

[Vaulte Kamish]

I lost about 12% of my body weight just by changing my diet. No exercise. No major change in lifestyle. Basically, I just ate a high protein breakfast within 30 minutes of waking up and followed a few simple guidelines throughout the day.

I wrote an article about it if you're interested (http://www.nomadz.net/2011/05/how-to-lose-weight-fast-without-exercise-or-eating-less/2328).

If you're not, here's the skinny:
- when you first wake up, drink an ice-cold glass of water (500 ml) right away
- 30 minutes later eat two eggs (I like poached) on top of a bowl of lentils (or refried beans) with a side of spinach and covered in (uncooked) olive oil
- finish with a cup of yogurt
- during lunch, try to avoid any white carbs and starch (wheat, rice, etc) and substitute them with vegetables
- eat whatever you want for dinner

You must not skip meals.
Avoid adding sugar to anything.
Avoid drinking milk.

Do this every day but on the 7th day PIG OUT. I mean it. Eat everything in sight all day long. Eat all the things that you craved during the week but held back from: cookies, donuts, ice cream. Eat as much as you can - even if it makes you feel sick. Over time, you will stop craving those things, because they WILL make you feel sick.

[Titty]

Eat everything in sight all day long.

Yeaaaahhhh.....good luck with that.

[Vaulte Kamish]

And on the 7th day HE took a rest... get what I'm sayin'?

[Titty]

And on the 7th day HE took a rest... get what I'm sayin'?

Any dietary advice that involves binge eating is complete and utter bullshit.

I guess when you use a fictional character as your consultant, not much could be expected of you.

[Vaulte Kamish]

Any dietary advice that involves binge eating is complete and utter bullshit.

I guess when you use a fictional character as your consultant, not much could be expected of you.

Well, the truth is, it worked for me. Ferriss' explanation is that the body is quick to adjust to whatever diet you choose. After awhile, you stop losing weight. By bingeing one day a week, you reset your metabolism. Whether or not this explanation is accurate - I cannot say. But it did work for me and for a friend of mine who was following the same regimen. After a couple of months we were tired of bingeing and stopped doing it. Also, we'd adjusted ourselves to the diet and didn't feel like eating other stuff. But we stopped losing weight. When we starting bingeing again (one day, only, mind you), we lost more weight.

I spoke to someone I met who used to work at a metabolic research centre in Brazil and they said that they had seen a similar effect. The metabolism is not as well understood as people would like to think, I guess. In particular, we are so obsessed with caloric intake that we don't realise that it has less to do with calories and more to do with what types of foods we are eating and in what combinations we eat them. I've noticed this with butter, for example. Butter is really rich in fat. But eating it in moderation makes me feel much fuller than eating margarine. And I suspect it's ultimately healthier. The French, in particular, tend to eat pretty rich foods but suffer from less obesity than Americans. I think the reason is because by eating the right kind of fatty foods in moderation, you feel more satiated and tend to eat less quantity.

Anyways, take it or leave it. But you don't have to be so rude. It took me years to find a diet that worked for me and I wanted to share it with other people who've struggled with theirs. If it doesn't work for you, that's fine. But you don't have to be so unkind about it.

[Dirty Hippie]

Tact is a completely foreign concept to a few of the posters here. Don't take it personally.

[Zeabot]

Tact is a completely foreign concept to a few of the posters here. Don't take it personally.
Indeed, it happens.




caloric intake that we don't realise that it has less to do with calories
I disagree with this statement. Now, I'm not saying your method is completely false, but let me tell you how I lost the weight.
It is EXACTLY about caloric intake, since your body is a scientific mechanism. Calories are fuel, whether it is from protein, carbohydrates, fat, etc. When this fuel is not consumed, the body stores it in the only way it knows how, fat. Simply work off more than you consume and you will lose weight. Science baby.

[Deadly_Toxin]

So I guess I've succeeded in my goal to gain some weight!! BAHAHAHHA

[Vaulte Kamish]

It is EXACTLY about caloric intake, since your body is a scientific mechanism. Calories are fuel, whether it is from protein, carbohydrates, fat, etc. When this fuel is not consumed, the body stores it in the only way it knows how, fat. Simply work off more than you consume and you will lose weight. Science baby.

By calories are an imperfect science. How are they calculated? By burning food in a furnace. Does your body 'burn' your food? No, it breaks it down metabolically. This is why some of the foods that require more energy to burn in an oven, require less energy to break down in your body... and leads to all sorts of assumptions of what food is 'bad' for you and what is 'good'.

We need to find a way to move beyond calories. For example, some of the super-bad processed foods have the same number of calories as a plate of healthy foods but the body does not know what to do with any of this material other than store it badly. This has nothing to do with calories and everything to do with the chemical makeup of the food product.

If you doubt what I'm saying, put a Hostess Twinkie on your windowsill and leave it there for a couple of weeks. Nothing will happen to it. It's like the cockroach of foodstuffs. It will live forever without decomposing. There is something like 150 calories in a classic twinkie. About the same as having a small chicken salad. Don't tell me these are equivalent in the body, because they aren't. One is going to inhabit your fat cells for a long time, whereas the other isn't. Guess which one is which!

[Grim_Legion]

im 1,69 and 70kg, i dont think i should loose any weight

[Zeabot]

Don't tell me these are equivalent in the body, because they aren't.
You're right, but that is not what your post is about. If you want a healthy body, you need to have healthy calories. Nutritional food that can be broken down and turned into the proteins that you need. I'm not going to argue about that. But if you are strictly talking about losing weight, eating 1000 calories of twinkies a day vs. 2000 of chicken salad will lose weight quicker.

It's not very "scientific" but here is proof. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

[proper stranger]

Tact is a completely foreign concept to a few of the posters here

What?
Are you talking about the kind of tact you showed by calling Surg the site trool awhile back?

And how much tact does it take to say others don't have any tact?.....just a thought. I don't expect a response.

[Dirty Hippie]

Have you read anything he writes? Unless he's talking about sports he makes it a point to bring a homophobic or racial slur into every one of his posts.


Tact: a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense


In order to maintain good relations with others (both him and the rest of the forum) I had to realize that he is a troll who is not to be taken seriously.

I know I'm far from perfect, but I call self defense on that one.

[proper stranger]

Have you read anything he writes?
Yes.
Before signing on with this crew, we were both at FY.com at the same time. I was there for probably a year. So I've seen all of his postes here + a years worth over there.
It was a strange ending over at Fy...The whole site went kind of crazy and imploded upon itself.
Anyhow..back to the subject at hand here. Just because the man has a different point of view than you (and me) does not make his posts any less valuable than any other poster here. I have no problem accepting and/or being friends and friendly with those who have a different value system than I.
And no, we were not always friendly with eachother over there. In fact, when the other place died, we parted as bitter enemies.
Now....different site...new beginnings.
You put a definition behind the word 'tact'. I would like to see your definition of the term 'troll'....just to see if I'm reading you right...of if I have fallen into the same trap as you, and am judging people before getting to know them.
But, enough of this...unless of course you want to drag it out more than it already is....I don't.


So, in another thread, I asked if shooms do indeed grow in cow shit....You never answered...so I guess you must have missed that one. I would really like to know.

[Dirty Hippie]

I agree, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If he'd post anything other than hateful insults then maybe I could get a chance to know him, but I haven't seen any other side of him as of yet.

This is urbandictionary's definition for troll, and I think given the context that I've known him under, he fits it perfectly.

Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=newsgroup) or message board (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=message%20board) with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

[proper stranger]

I think you posted while I was editing mine....sorry, I'm not a blaze of glory at the keyboard....you may want to read the last 3 lines again.
I still would like to know if shooms do grow in cow shit.

In answer to your post...I agree about the disruption and arguement thing. He does like to do that.
I just don't think it is that big of deal.. Anyhow, I doubt very much that Surg needs me to speak for him, so this is where I stop.
To each his own I guess.
Now, how about those shooms?

[Dirty Hippie]

Well I don't know the history behind every shroom that you buy off the black market, but a very common method of growing them yourself consists of a mason jar, brown rice flour and vermiculite. Some mushrooms do grow in shit, some grow in decaying leaves, some grow on the sides of trees, each species is different.

[Dirty Hippie]

I honestly don't know the breakdown of how many are grown in this way or how many are harvested from the wild, but I believe the most common shroom sold is native to southeast Asia, so I'd imagine most of them are grown indoors.

[proper stranger]

I was only asking about the "magic" species.
I would hate to eat something that was picked out of a cow paddy.

Thanks for the response...

[Bunnee]

I still would like to know if shooms do grow in cow shit.

yes they do. We Aussies call them gold tops.

[Deadly_Toxin]

I was only asking about the "magic" species.
I would hate to eat something that was picked out of a cow paddy.

Thanks for the response...

I think regular mushrooms are grown on cow poops too. Also, most of the veggies you eat grow off de poops. So long as the crops were fertilized anyways. Which is why sometimes farmers will cover a field in poops and then let it hang out for a few years before growing a new crop on it. :) Farmer stuff, yay.

[Vaulte Kamish]

if you are strictly talking about losing weight, eating 1000 calories of twinkies a day vs. 2000 of chicken salad will lose weight quicker.

It's not very "scientific" but here is proof. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...sor/index.html

That was an interesting article. Thanks. However, there are a couple of problems with this conclusion. Perhaps you've heard of the 'Inductivist Turkey'? He notes that for several weeks in a row, he gets fed three times a day at precisely the same time of day. He, therefore, concludes that every day will be the same. But, he has a rude awakening on Christmas Eve, when he is slaughtered.

The study that you referenced was only done for 10 weeks. It seems that anyone in a controlled laboratory setting that practices caloric reduction will see weight loss. However, this is very hard to maintain over time. And we don't live in a laboratory. Plus, it ignores the plethora of evidence that over our lifetime, it is better for us to eat well than to eat junk.

I think this article peels back some of the layers of complexity involved in the "a calorie is a calorie" argument: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/is-a-calorie-a-calorie/

I can tell you from personal experience that restricting my caloric intake did, indeed, result in a rection in my weight. But I couldn't sustain it because I'd get really hungry and didn't want to stick to a diet like this. I'd end up bingeing because I was ravenous. Also, processed foods made me feel much more lethargic. If you're not convinced of this, it's worth checking out what Jamie Oliver did with school meals in the UK. A year after he created healthier meals, the students performed far better in a variety of mental and physical tasks compared to before. Everybody was convinced that the difference in their diet had been significant.

Ultimately, I found that a healthy diet that took into account how the metabolism climbs and falls throughout the day could be used to maximise weight loss without compromising health. Instead, by eating lots of junk food, I developed a gradually intolerance to weight and processed foods in that they would make me feel more bloated than usual. Plus, I would be more hungry than normal a few hours later.

What I, personally, love about slow release carbs (like lentils) is that they curb my appetite. I feel full for longer. I don't binge during the week, because my appetite is sated. Plus, they contain lots of roughage and less fat - which is an added bonus. I still eat three, big meals a day and I don't gain weight anymore.

If you want to believe that a calorie is a calorie, then fine, go ahead. But I think it's an imperfect measure that can be improved upon by studying human metabolism. And I am not convinced that all calories are equal from a weight-control perspective - because I've been there, done that, and it didn't work.

Perhaps people are different. Perhaps if one person ate junk food all their life and controlled their caloric intake, they would be at an optimum weight and would enjoy a productive and healthy life. I am not one of those people. So, to all the other people out there like me, I am going to say it again: a calorie is not a calorie. There are other complexities worth considering.

[Deadly_Toxin]

Perhaps if one person ate junk food all their life and controlled their caloric intake, they would be at an optimum weight and would enjoy a productive and healthy life.

Optimum weight does not equate health.

[Zeabot]

Optimum weight does not equate health.
She pretty much summed up what I was going to write as a response.

I 100% agree with you about a healthy body. Eating, solely, 1500 calories of twinkies at day will probably lead to your death. I also agree with your statement on sustainability. Crappy foods lead you hungry.

I am not saying a calorie is a calorie for a healthy body. I am saying a calorie is a calorie for strictly weight loss. What I mean by that is if you want to lose weight, restrict your calories. Doing that with healthy calories is highly recommended, for all the reasons you have stated. When I cut my caloric intake, I still made sure a lot of the calories were decent, if not good.

[CrAnIuM]

Optimum weight does not equate health.


She pretty much summed up what I was going to write as a response.


http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/

^^ here ya go, some happy reading !!


Short and sweet:

Fat bastards cost more than none fat bastards. Health care. Lost work hours. More materials needed to build office furniture and other items because folks are getting fatter. And RATHER than mandate a healthier more reasonable body mass/weight to its citizens the US simply makes the cubicle bigger to accommodate the ever expanding office worker.

VISUALLY obese folks that say "I'm heavy but healthy" receive nothing from me but a blank stare. Healthy for what exactly, a sedentary lifestyle? Because generally speaking fat bastards are not an active bunch of folk.

Fat bastards .... I'd rather not be one.
Thanks !!

[Zeabot]

Agreed. Like the movie seats for fat bastards...

[Dirty Hippie]

Agreed. Like the movie seats for fat bastards...

Yeah, I thought about this a few weeks back when I saw a comedy show in an older theater. I'm a pretty skinny dude and the seats, while not tight on me, were not exactly very spacious either. I really have no idea how anyone over 200 pounds could squeeze into them.

[Zeabot]

over 200 pounds could squeeze into them.
They didn't. Back in the day, unless they were millionaires, they were ridiculed back into their house. Stupid political correctness.

[CrAnIuM]

Stupid political correctness.

Yeah !!

Bring back overt fatty hatred !!

[Deadly_Toxin]

Yeah, I thought about this a few weeks back when I saw a comedy show in an older theater. I'm a pretty skinny dude and the seats, while not tight on me, were not exactly very spacious either. I really have no idea how anyone over 200 pounds could squeeze into them.

Or (in the theatres that had armrests that could life up, some don't) they'd have to buy two seats (if that show was busy). Which makes sense to me really. They make money per seat and how many people they can cram in there. They therefore lose money by having fat people's business. If you take up more space, you should pay more money. The end.