PEARL HARBOR..MOTHER OF ALL CONSPIRACIES

[KommieKat]

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

I know, I know. Most of you who even bother to check out the this thread much less the link, will get turned off because of the word 'conspiracy'.
Lo and behold, there it is, stuck in the title of the thread.


President Roosevelt (FDR) provoked the attack, knew about it in advance and covered up his failure to warn the Hawaiian commanders. FDR needed the attack to sucker Hitler to declare war, since the public and Congress were overwhelmingly against entering the war in Europe. It was his backdoor to war.

This is a very very detailed article and I dare ANYBODY to prove any section of it wrong or at the least, mistaken.

Go ahead and try. I dare ya.

Keep this in mind:
The code was broken by the British about the attack but was kept from the Americans........or.........did the Americans already know it??

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=127

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/pearl_harbour_04.shtml
The administration and military were both guilty of a staggering lack of co-ordination between Washington and Oahu, and between different services. Japanese messages were decoded by the army and navy on alternate days and all too often one service failed to properly communicate their new intelligence to the other. And it wasn't just codes: on the day of the attack, Japanese aircraft were spotted by American radar. No action was taken: they were assumed to be a flight of B-17 bombers due in from the mainland.

[Cúchulainn]

Yes, because anything on Geocities is reliable. I could write a fictional story, too, and add a whole lot of detail about how it was actually Starfleet Command and the crew of the Constitution Class Starship, USS Enterprise NCC-1701 went back in time to help its namesake, the Yorktown-Class Aircraft Carrier, USS Enterprise CV-6 during the Battle of Midway. And then I could post it on Geocities, too, and you'd have a hard time proving or disproving my story because of the 'massive government coverup'.

Shut the fuck up. I've had enough of your 'conspiracy' this and 'evil America' that. We get the fucking point. Turn in your American passport, denounce your American citizenship, cut your ties to the United States of America completely and enjoy Hong Kong or wherever it is you live. Be happy with where you are, don't continually sling mud.

[KommieKat]

Shut the fuck up.

No can do.


I've had enough of your 'conspiracy' this and 'evil America' that.

Not my problem.


We get the fucking point.

No you don't, that' why I'll keep on posting.


Turn in your American passport, denounce your American citizenship, cut your ties to the United States of America completely

No can do.



and enjoy Hong Kong or wherever it is you live. Be happy with where you are,

Oh, absolutely.



don't continually sling mud.

No can do.

[Cúchulainn]

No can do.


And why can't you change your citizenship from the country you hate to the country you love? You obviously despise the United States and everything we stand for, so why can't you change your citizenship to China?

You know, I get the whole idea that 'dissent is patriotic'. I get it. If you disagree with your government (as long as you're an American), it is your right to say something about it. But all you do is bitch and complain and whine and moan - you never seem to look positively on our country. All of your American-related posts are written in shame of your country, you never seem to have anything positive to say. Which in turn galvanizes men like myself to come off as over-the-top pro-American nutjobs. I do this specifically to piss you off. Don't you get this?

Yeah, the United States isn't perfect. I know this. We've got issues. We've got problems we need addressed. But all you do is portray the United States in a negative light. I'm sick and tired of it. If you don't like the United States, leave it behind you. Change your citizenship, fully immigrate to China, which you seem to love for your own reasons, and be happy with that.

[CrAnIuM]

And why can't you change your citizenship from the country you hate to the country you love? You obviously despise the United States and everything we stand for, so why can't you change your citizenship to China?

You know, I get the whole idea that 'dissent is patriotic'. I get it. If you disagree with your government (as long as you're an American), it is your right to say something about it. But all you do is bitch and complain and whine and moan - you never seem to look positively on our country. All of your American-related posts are written in shame of your country, you never seem to have anything positive to say. Which in turn galvanizes men like myself to come off as over-the-top pro-American nutjobs. I do this specifically to piss you off. Don't you get this?

Yeah, the United States isn't perfect. I know this. We've got issues. We've got problems we need addressed. But all you do is portray the United States in a negative light. I'm sick and tired of it. If you don't like the United States, leave it behind you. Change your citizenship, fully immigrate to China, which you seem to love for your own reasons, and be happy with that.


Indeed, well said sir.


You and I , and a few others here, have first hand experience at the total shit that other countries have put their citizenry through.

The USA had its decades of shame and persecution of its people as well, but we worked through it and evolved. We were not and we are not perfect.

But we stand apart from those other regimes because we make note of our inequality and previous issues and we make effort to change and grow beyond those things.

Sure ..it can be argued that our international policies have led to a bit of isolationism, but so what, in an era of mass transportation and global travel the time for fighting the bad guy in our own back yard has long past.

I've considered moving from the US and living out my days in another land. I always stop short because finding a place that is as free of oppression and has a mentality and country policy that allows an INDIVIDUAL to own property and enjoy the full benefit of his labor and investments is very hard to find.

Ehh .. no amount of talking to kommie is likely to change his opinions because, as you said, I am not convinced he actually feels the things he spouts are true.

[Scarlet]

I believe we can look at any country and find atrocities.
Kommie is entitled to his opinions and I respect that.
I also agree with the words Cranium mentions above, however a country without some skeletons in the closet would be difficult, if not impossible to find.
Occasionally I will voice anti-American sentiments, but I still respect America as a country and the American people.
Perhaps Kommie doesn't honestly believe half of what he posts, but so what? He is only annoying those that allow him to annoy them. Why should he relinquish American citizenship? He earnt that right by being born in the country, being educated in the country and having family and friends in the USA.
All bullshit aside (Kommie and I are far from friends) I enjoy reading his posts because often they are thought provoking regardless of his motive for posting them.

[KommieKat]

I do this specifically to piss you off. Don't you get this?


Indeed, well said sir.
Ehh .. no amount of talking to kommie is likely to change his opinions because, as you said, I am not convinced he actually feels the things he spouts are true.

This sub-forum is not just about the opinions of the person making the thread, it's about the article itself and comments being made directly towards the article, but instead, you two go way out in left field and make it personal.

It does not matter what I think. Dialog is formed from the article itself, and it's a pretty damn good one at that. I challenged both of you to find fault with it, not me, but you two chicken shits take the easy way, which is name calling. Way to go.

There was not even ONE comment about the article, so I must rightly assume neither of you took the time to read it, much less skim through it, but instead, saw an opportunity to throw sticks.

If this is going to be the case, than why not just trash this whole area and leave it as a Free Zone section?

Seriously, what's the point? No matter how much you try to get things rolling into some serious discussion, it just bounces back into silly mud slinging. I give up on this section.

[CrAnIuM]

Seriously, what's the point?

Exactly.

[Negativecool]

Well...what shall we do about this grave injustice? Shall we wake FDR from the dead so we can put him to death?

We should erase him from every history book in the world. Yea....that'll show him to allow the Japs to attack.

[KommieKat]

Well...what shall we do about this grave injustice? Shall we wake FDR from the dead so we can put him to death?

We should erase him from every history book in the world. Yea....that'll show him to allow the Japs to attack.


And, god forbid, what shall we do if one of your loved ones is brutally murdered?

From your comment, why bother calling the police or seeking judicial justice, or for that matter, revenge?

What's done is done, right?

You really don't get it, do you.
If they had attacked the Japanese out at sea, after the code was broken and the impending attack was known, we could have possibly averted the whole Pacific war as well as too fucking atomic bombs that were unjustifiably dropped on the head of innocent women and children.

Fucking got it now?

So, once again, god forbid, if your lovely wife is raped and murdered, we'll just let it go at that.

[Scarlet]

Little about the Japanese war crimes in China is known to the world due to many reasons. Japanese constantly deny these crimes and are trying to distort history by claiming that Japan liberated Asian nations. They claim that Pearl Harbor was never a sneak attack. And they also claim Nanjing massacre was a lie that the US used to find excuses for dropping the A-Bombs on them. The war criminals that led the Nanjing Massacre are enshrined by the the Japanese as 'martyr's. Almost all of the murderers in Nanjing have not been brought to justice.

quote [ Some 70 years ago, many died in their pains and cries. Men, women, children, were killed with bayonets, swords, bamboo sticks... their bodies sexually mutilated. They were murdered by the Japanese Monsters of Frankeinstein (japmof), in the beautiful ancient city of Nanjing, China. In that winter, at Nanjing, Japanese army massacred over 300,000 civilians and POWs, raped at least 20,000 women.]

http://centurychina.com/wiihist/njmassac/index.html

[Negativecool]

And, god forbid, what shall we do if one of your loved ones is brutally murdered?

From your comment, why bother calling the police or seeking judicial justice, or for that matter, revenge?

What's done is done, right?

You really don't get it, do you.
If they had attacked the Japanese out at sea, after the code was broken and the impending attack was known, we could have possibly averted the whole Pacific war as well as too fucking atomic bombs that were unjustifiably dropped on the head of innocent women and children.

Fucking got it now?

So, once again, god forbid, if your lovely wife is raped and murdered, we'll just let it go at that.
If FDR allowed the Japanese empire to rape and murder my lovely wife over 60 years ago, and our nations went to war in which we won by needlessly and mercilessly boiling hundreds of thousands of them, twice, in the heat of an atomic blast...



Yea, I'd say we could let it go at that. We'd be Even-Steven by 2009.

Fucking get it now?

[KommieKat]

.......... Japanese constantly deny these crimes and are trying to distort history by claiming that Japan liberated Asian nations. They claim that Pearl Harbor was never a sneak attack. And they also claim Nanjing massacre was a lie that the US used to find excuses for dropping the A-Bombs on them. The war criminals that led the Nanjing Massacre are enshrined by the the Japanese as 'martyr's. Almost all of the murderers in Nanjing have not been brought to justice.

quote [ Some 70 years ago, many died in their pains and cries. Men, women, children, were killed with bayonets, swords, bamboo sticks... their bodies sexually mutilated. They were murdered by the Japanese Monsters of Frankeinstein (japmof), in the beautiful ancient city of Nanjing, China. In that winter, at Nanjing, Japanese army massacred over 300,000 civilians and POWs, raped at least 20,000 women.]

http://centurychina.com/wiihist/njmassac/index.html

No fucking kidding. Could you have at least come up with something new?

I lived there for 17 years. That means I, not you, are more aware the governments denial of war crimes commited by the Imperial army.

This is not surprising.

What IS surprising, is how America claims to be the greatest and still to this day, commits war crimes and other atrocities, something one would think is unheard of by a country that promotes democracy, by any means.

[KommieKat]

If FDR allowed the Japanese empire to rape and murder my lovely wife over 60 years ago, and our nations went to war in which we won by needlessly and mercilessly boiling hundreds of thousands of them, twice, in the heat of an atomic blast...



Yea, I'd say we could let it go at that. We'd be Even-Steven by 2009.

Fucking get it now?

Yeah, I got it, Jr. I got that you still don't get.

Most things going on today have deep rooted implications from the past.
Events that go back as far as the conquest by Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire and the pillaging that took place through Asia Minor from the Mongols.

In that respect, WW2 is just not THAT far in the past, is it now.
Animosities still remain, secrets are still kept secrets, apologies still withheld, big munitions companies are now richer and ignorance of events still bliss.

Fucking got it?

[Scarlet]

No fucking kidding. Could you have at least come up with something new?

I lived there for 17 years. That means I, not you, are more aware the governments denial of war crimes commited by the Imperial army.

This is not surprising.

What IS surprising, is how America claims to be the greatest and still to this day, commits war crimes and other atrocities, something one would think is unheard of by a country that promotes democracy, by any means.

Firstly, I will decide what I post...not you.
My point was why should we believe anything the Japanese say when they are self-confessed liars?

Secondly, it doesn't matter if you live in a country for 50 years...if you are living under censorship of the truth then it doesn't follow that you know more than anyone else.

Thirdly, every army in the world commits some sort of war crime in somebody's eyes. The US appears to deal with any reported atrocities...other countries flatly deny they ever happened.

I believe the US forces are doing a wonderful job in their fight for democracy, and if there are casualties...tough tit.

[Negativecool]

In that respect, WW2 is just not THAT far in the past, is it now.
I had as much to do with Alexander's conquests as I did with the war in the pacific. Your logic does not pierce my apathy.

Animosities still remain, secrets are still kept secrets, apologies still withheld, big munitions companies are now richer and ignorance of events still bliss.
Fucking got it?
Beyond the fact that the US hasn't sent the Japanese commanders, that initiated a war with a strategic attack, an "Oh, my bad. Hugs?" letter AND more importantly, that I still don't care---what are the solutions?

...

"Fucking got it?"

[KommieKat]

I ha.......... that I still don't care---what are the solutions?

...

"Fucking got it?"

If you don't care, then what the hell are you doing in this thread besides stating that you "don't care"?

Makes no sense. Got it?

[KommieKat]

Firstly, I will decide what I post...not you.
My point was why should we believe anything the Japanese say when they are self-confessed liars?

Secondly, it doesn't matter if you live in a country for 50 years...if you are living under censorship of the truth then it doesn't follow that you know more than anyone else.

Thirdly, every army in the world commits some sort of war crime in somebody's eyes. The US appears to deal with any reported atrocities...other countries flatly deny they ever happened.

I believe the US forces are doing a wonderful job in their fight for democracy, and if there are casualties...tough tit.

First, of course, of course you will.

Second, your logic only applies to people who do not have outside sources of information nor news as well as people who, for one reason or other, remain ignorant of the truths and facts.

I AM aware of the white washing of Secondary history text books.
I AM aware that Japanese who travel aboard or do home stays, will come in contact with the truth and will return home in shock.
I AM aware that some Japanese household subscribe to Cable TV like the History Channel.
I AM aware of the shame that those Japanese feel towards their past aggressive history and the feelings towards the current regime in power.
Are YOU aware of any of this? I don't think so.

Thirdly, the American government "deals" with these matters only if the secrets have been discovered, otherwise, they would have still remained as secrets. They had no choice but to "deal with reported atrocities".
That's the key word, 'reported'.

Your last comment is absurd. You call the twice invasion of Iraq, a "wonderful job"?? Have you not read where American commanders themselves have reported negatively about the wars?

You might want to ask people from South and Central American countries about America's fight for democracy ( of course you won't). You're sure to get a differing opinion ( of course you won't ).

[Negativecool]

If you don't care, then what the hell are you doing in this thread besides stating that you "don't care"?

Makes no sense. Got it?
I posted because I saw Pearl Harbor + Conspiracy and was curious to see if there may be a compelling argument to create a gap in what I have read.

Instead you did as you typically do. I need not explain further.

[Scarlet]

Your last comment is absurd. You call the twice invasion of Iraq, a "wonderful job"?? Have you not read where American commanders themselves have reported negatively about the wars?

You might want to ask people from South and Central American countries about America's fight for democracy ( of course you won't). You're sure to get a differing opinion ( of course you won't ).

hu shuo ba dao!

Yes, I call the twice invasion of Iraq a "wonderful job." Naturally it would have been an even better job if they'd done it right the first time and nuked the arabs to oblivion.

I honestly don't give a shit for wogs comments on fighting for democracy.
America is right...I am right...you are wrong.
Accept it.

[KommieKat]

hu shuo ba dao!

Yes, I call the twice invasion of Iraq a "wonderful job." Naturally it would have been an even better job if they'd done it right the first time and nuked the arabs to oblivion.

I honestly don't give a shit for wogs comments on fighting for democracy.
America is right...I am right...you are wrong.
Accept it.

Once again, you have failed to show anything.
Just because you state "hu shuo ba dao" or "nonsense" does not show support for your opinion, which is more like a smelly onion.
You scream it a thousand times, it will not make it so.

For the record, that was Mandarin or Putonghua as they refer to it.
I have no inclination to study it because I am too busy with gwandongwa or Cantonese.

So, what is the "wonderful job" you speak of?
Want to ask your average Iraqi that?

Ask yourself this simple question:
Would YOU like to have your country occupied by an invader?

What's good for America does not mean it's good for the rest of the world. You should know this by now, but apparently you don't.

[HerCUNTness]

I cannot believe this. There has to be more than supposition. More then "it sounds plausible" . I would list this under conspiracy theory.Its propaganda. You mentioned a dare. if your information wasnt so vague, I might take you up on that. You have too much "wiggle "room with broad statements.

You made no mention of Hitler asking Canada and Mexico to invade from the north and south. For their troubles,Hitler would give them the closest states to each. This was an insult! Hitler was that worried about us ? Why? Canada flat refused, Mexico thought about it ,then decided to inform the US.

If I was the president, I'd be pissed! I'd be looking for a reason to be involved. If this was the case why Japan? Id be head hunting for Germans not Japs.

[Scarlet]

The question is, "Did Franklin D. Roosevelt know of, but do nothing to stop the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbour because he wanted the USA to enter the Second World War?"

Here are some of the key issues that speak to this statement:

Roosevelt desperately wanted the US to enter the war. He states to William White, a close friend in 1939, "If Germany or Russia win the war or force a peace favourable to them, the situation of your civilisation and mine is indeed in peril..."

However he needed the US public's backing. He spent a total of 12 years in office, completed revolutionary new ideas and introduced the first women ever to become a member of a Presidential Cabinet. He knew he needed the public support. A crisis like Pearl Harbour unites the nation in an act of revenge and war.

It is more likely however, that the information critically needed to be known in advance of the Japanese attack slipped through America's nets. With so much information around, much of it was intercepted. HOWEVER, it is probable that the information was cast out the system as it passed up the ranks; the most important information would go to the most important officer. Much information on Pearl Harbour was found in the 'pending' boxes of interception offices.

Finally, it is impossible to tell if Franklin D. Roosevelt knew in advance that the attack was coming. However we can use the weight of evidence to suggest one way or another.

I believe that America had the POTENTIAL to discover the Japanese attacks, however the poor system of sorting information led to the crucial pieces being discarded. Although a terrible tragedy, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour worked in Franklin D. Roosevelt's favour.

[HerCUNTness]

Yes, I see your post.. but who stated this? Who had the inner knowledge ?
Why would I find this true?
There's too much bullshit and not enough fact,

[KommieKat]

I cannot believe this. There has to be more than supposition. More then "it sounds plausible" . I would list this under conspiracy theory.Its propaganda. You mentioned a dare. if your information wasnt so vague, I might take you up on that. You have too much "wiggle "room with broad statements.

You made no mention of Hitler asking Canada and Mexico to invade from the north and south. For their troubles,Hitler would give them the closest states to each. This was an insult! Hitler was that worried about us ? Why? Canada flat refused, Mexico thought about it ,then decided to inform the US.

If I was the president, I'd be pissed! I'd be looking for a reason to be involved. If this was the case why Japan? Id be head hunting for Germans not Japs.

First of all thanks for replying to the article and not hurling insults at me.

Secondly, you are correct that it is a conspiracy but I do not agree with your comment about it being propaganda.

A conspiracy is just that, no one side can prove it's claim nor disprove the others until the truth finds its way to the surface.

Some things to consider about the article:
"23 Jun 1941 - Advisor Harold Ickes wrote FDR a memo the day after Germany invaded the Soviet Union, "There might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia."

We know he wanted to get into the European conflict and just seized the opportunity of Pearl Harbor, the same as Bush Sr. did with Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

"7 December - 9 hours later, MacArthur's entire air force was caught by surprise and wiped out in the Philippines. His reaction to the news of Pearl Harbor was quite unusual - he locked himself in his room all morning and refused to meet with his air commander General Brereton, and refused to attack Japanese forces on Formosa even under orders from the War Department. MacArthur gave three conflicting orders that ensured the planes were on the ground most of the morning. MacArthur used radar tracking of the Japanese planes at 140, 100, 80, 60, down to 20 miles to time his final order and ensure his planes were on the ground. Strategically, the destruction of half of all US heavy bombers in the world was more important than naval damage in Pearl Harbor. Either MacArthur had committed the greatest blunder in military history or he was under orders to allow his forces to be destroyed. If it were the greatest blunder in history, it is remarkable how he escaped any reprimand, kept his command and got his fourth star and Congressional Medal of Honor shortly later. Prange argued, "How could the President ensure a successful Japanese attack unless he confided in the commanders and persuaded them to allow the enemy to proceed unhindered?"

So, what was up with MacArthur?

"The US was warned by, at least, the governments of Britain, Netherlands, Australia, Peru, Korea and the Soviet Union that a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor was coming. All important Japanese codes were broken. FDR and Marshall and others knew the attack was coming, allowed it and covered up their knowledge. It's significant that both the the chief of OP-20-G Safford and Friedman of Army SIS, the two people in the world that knew what we decoded, said that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked. "

"War with Japan was a given because they had to attack the Philippines. If Japan's fleet were destroyed, it would defeat the purpose. It would have been obvious suicide for Hitler to declare war if Japan were crippled - it would allow the US to attack him without even the possibility of a two-front war. That was what he had just been avoiding for months. The plan could only work if Japan's attack succeeded. The lure of a weakened US in a two-front war focused on Japan seemed to make a German war declaration cost-free. But it was all a trap - FDR was always going to ignore Japan and go after Hitler, for his ultimate goal was to save his beloved Soviet Communism."



I cannot prove either way but I have sited a reasonable source and I've yet to see others prove it wrong.

[KommieKat]

The question is, "Did Franklin D. Roosevelt know of, but do nothing to stop the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbour because he wanted the USA to enter the Second World War?"

Here are some of the key issues that speak to this statement:

Roosevelt desperately wanted the US to enter the war. He states to William White, a close friend in 1939, "If Germany or Russia win the war or force a peace favourable to them, the situation of your civilisation and mine is indeed in peril..."

However he needed the US public's backing. He spent a total of 12 years in office, completed revolutionary new ideas and introduced the first women ever to become a member of a Presidential Cabinet. He knew he needed the public support. A crisis like Pearl Harbour unites the nation in an act of revenge and war.

It is more likely however, that the information critically needed to be known in advance of the Japanese attack slipped through America's nets. With so much information around, much of it was intercepted. HOWEVER, it is probable that the information was cast out the system as it passed up the ranks; the most important information would go to the most important officer. Much information on Pearl Harbour was found in the 'pending' boxes of interception offices.

Finally, it is impossible to tell if Franklin D. Roosevelt knew in advance that the attack was coming. However we can use the weight of evidence to suggest one way or another.

I believe that America had the POTENTIAL to discover the Japanese attacks, however the poor system of sorting information led to the crucial pieces being discarded. Although a terrible tragedy, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour worked in Franklin D. Roosevelt's favour.


Very good post and I thank you.

The underline portion is very possible and plausible.

The article itself is a bit lengthy but here is a sippit or two:

# Simple traffic analysis of the accelerated frequency of messages from various Japanese consuls gave a another identification of war preparations, from Aug-Dec there were 6 messages from Seattle, 18 from Panama, 55 from Manila and 68 from Hawaii.

# Oct. - Soviet top spy Richard Sorge, the greatest spy in history, informed the Kremlin that Pearl Harbor would be attacked within 60 days. Moscow informed him that this was passed to the US. Interestingly, all references to Pearl Harbor in the War Department's copy of Sorge's 32,000 word confession to the Japanese were deleted. NY Daily News, 17 May 1951.

# 13 Nov. - The German Ambassador to US Dr. Thomsen told US IQ that Pearl Harbor would be attacked.

# CIA Director Allen Dulles told people after the war that US was warned in mid-November 1941 that the Japanese Fleet had sailed east past Tokyo Bay and was going to attack Pearl Harbor. CIA FOIA


As a note: Allen Dulles was one corrupt politician.
You can find things about him all over the net.
He was the rascal of all rascals.

[HerCUNTness]

The first bomb landed on Wheeler. (Wheeler Army Air field,this is where I live) secondly Hickam and third Ford island. Fourth... was Pearl Harbor. Being that they were fearful of being blinded by smoke, the first attack on Pearl was by torpedo, not bomb. ("Attack At Pearl Harbor, 1941, - the Japanese View" EyeWitness to History, www.eyewitnesstohistory.com (2001). ) Japanese ruled the sky for a time before return fire was established.

A photo taken from a Japanese plane during the attack shows vulnerable American battleships, and in the distance, smoke rising from Hickam Airfield where 35 men having breakfast in the mess hall were killed after a direct bomb hit.( from this photo, it shows now close Hickam is to the harbor. There was no way you would have been able to signal the other bases before it was ontop of them.)
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Sunday, December 7 - Washington D.C. - The last part of the Japanese message, stating that diplomatic relations with the U.S. are to be broken off, reaches Washington in the morning and is decoded at approximately 9 a.m. About an hour later, another Japanese message is intercepted. It instructs the Japanese embassy to deliver the main message to the Americans at 1 p.m. The Americans realize this time corresponds with early morning time in Pearl Harbor, which is several hours behind. The U.S. War Department then sends out an alert but uses a commercial telegraph because radio contact with Hawaii is temporarily broken. Delays prevent the alert from arriving at headquarters in Oahu until noontime (Hawaii time) four hours after the attack has already begun.(http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/pearl.htm)

I am 6 hours behind EST. Washington is EST. So , when its noon for Washington, its 6am for me . Pearl Harbor is a 30 minute drive .

Yes, the US knew, yes, they tried to warn Hawaii. No,they weren't successful.

[4nik8]

I guess that about solves up the Conspiracy problem.

What's she get for accepting your dare, kommie?

[Scarlet]

I am not convinced that it wasn't a conspiracy.
Here is an interesting link for other conspiracy theories as well.

http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/

The problem is that with a conspiracy it is almost impossible to refute with the passage of time.
KommieKat could very well be right, and he has produced an interesting thread.

[HerCUNTness]

Interesting I admit . Kommie as right ? No. I have taken his dare and given links to reputable sources. I answered. He has yet to reply.