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Cúchulainn
05-27-2009, 05:52 AM
I fucked up my knee. Prior to this event, I was taking about 4 grams (that's 4,000 miligrams) of Tylenol and 4 grams of Naproxen a day. That did very little for my pain.

So anyway, I went in for knee surgery on the 18th. I can point to the ligaments they fixed, but I can't spell them. I know one was the medial cruciate ligament. They did something with that, cut another ligament, repositioned my kneecap (patella) and then fixed that ligament. Fun times.

Not really.

Like I said, I went in on the 18th. On the 19th, they pulled my drainage, which hurt like hell on wheels. Doc started tugging on it, I asked for anesthetic. He looked at me, totally straight-faced, and said, "No anesthetic. You a soldat!" He paused for a moment, then smiled - not just any smile, but a combination of Hannibal Lecter and a "Heeeere's Johnny!" smile portrayed so well by Jack Nicholson in The Shining. The kind of smile that, under ordinary circumstances, would have any sane individual reaching for their shotgun just to make that person stay the fuck away.

Then he yanked. Something was obviously wrong to begin with, as the drainage bag was completely (500 mL) full. And that drainage yank hurt like hell.

So he poked and prodded my knee (that hurt, too) and shook his head and yelled at the nurses in German and stuff, then tells me that something's wrong and they had to go back in there and operate again.

So they did that on the 20th. I woke up this time with two vacuum-pump drainage bottles sticking out of my leg. And this (now, creepily glowing doctor) was telling me all about the vacuum-pump bottles and lauding this state-of-the-art technology. The previous drainage thing had been a simple plastic packet.

I checked this out with my mother (she's an RN) and she was horrified. Apparently, vacuum pump drainage bottles have been around for like 40 years. They're not new. They're not special.

Fortunately, the Oxycontin and codeine kept things mostly under control. My knee hurt, yeah, but it wasn't too bad.

Until the 24th, when they finally cut me loose. That morning, they gave me my usual dose of Oxycontin and codeine, so things weren't horrific. Until about 1530 that afternoon.

Then it started feeling like they had replaced the ligament whose name I can't remember with a razor blade and filled the rest of my knee with broken glass.

The hospital had cut me loose with three (3) Voltaren capsules - about half a step up from Naproxen.

And it was a 4-day weekend. So the aid station wasn't open until Tuesday the 26th.

I spent the 25th seriously considering self-amputation with my trusty Swiss Army Knife just to make the pain in my knee go away.

So I went in on the 26th and caught an earful from this Captain bitch. She chewed my ass out for not going to sick call (that was my squad leader's call) and then had one of the medics poke and prod my knee to ask me where it hurt and how bad.

Then they kicked me out of the aid station and told me to come back at 1300.

When I came back at 1300, there was a shitload of Soldiers there needing Sniper and Ranger physicals.

Here's a triage question for you medically-minded types here. You look into your waiting room and see one Soldier in obvious pain and a knee the size of a soccer ball, and 20 other Soldiers needing routine physical examinations. Who do you see first?

If you said the 20 Soldiers needing routine exams, well, apparently you passed the Army's class on triage. But I still fucking hate you. And that's how it all went down.

The dumb Captain bitch finally saw me at about 1430. And proceeded to poke and prod my knee forcefully, asking me where it hurt and how bad until I was in tears.

Yeah, I cried. Sue me.

Then she told me that this far out from surgery, all I needed was Tylenol and Naproxen. Yeah. Tylenol and Naproxen. Which, if you recall, I was taking by the handful before surgery.

Oh, and I got a week off. According to her, I return to duty on the 1st.

In the parking lot, as I was preparing to crutch my way back to company, I heard someone yelling at the guy on crutches. I looked around, and low and behold, I was the only guy on crutches. So I looked back and there's this Soldier leaning out of his BMW, pointing at me. Initially, I figured it was gonna be some jumped-up, newly promoted NCO who thinks he's better than he is and has to make an on-the-spot correction about everything. Including the fucking cripple on crutches.

Turns out, he wanted to know if I wanted a ride. Hell, yeah, I'll take a ride, thank you for being a kind and decent individual. In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't spout off the first thing that came to mind. It wasn't kind, but I was expecting the worst-case scenario.

So I crutched on over to this guy's car and there's a pair of crutches in his backseat. I guess us temporary cripples have to stick together, right?

So we get to talking about what the surgeons did to our knees, and he was sounding like a very, very informed individual on the topic. He asked me what the PA had prescribed to help me deal with my pain. I told him, and he stopped the car. He then proceeded to pull out a pad and a pen of paper, asked to see my ID, and then questioned me all about the Captain I had seen, the circumstances surrounding the situation, the surgery I had done and her attitude, which was pretty shitty. And for me to say that someone's got an attitude problem, that's pretty harsh. I'm usually all for being an asshole to people.

So he closes the notepad, nods to himself and says, "Well. We're gonna have a little chat, her and I. In the meantime..." and he reaches into his glove compartment and pulls out a prescription pad. I got a good look at his uniform for the first time - god damn if its not a Lieutenant Colonel. Not just any Lt. Colonel - its the Regimental surgeon. He made sure I wasn't in trouble with my chain of command or anything, and wrote me out a script for Percocet. So he dropped me off at company, I thanked him repeatedly and profusely (for this much pain and that kind of a favor, I am NOT going to be an ungrateful shit), and went up to the platoon office. My PSG, the same clown who made the decision that resulted in my knee injury to begin with, looked at my profile and shook his head. A week for knee surgery? Fuck that. He gave me two and wrote out my leave form for me.

So now, here I sit, not a thing to do until the 8th except heal, with my bottle of Percocet. My knee still hurts, but not nearly as much (I'm only taking 1 tablet at a time when it starts to really hurt again - I'm not trying to abuse it and do something dumb here), but not nearly as much as it did.

TL;DR, my knee got filleted, I wouldn't send my dog to that hospital (and I don't even like my dog), the PA was a stupid cunt, but the Regimental Surgeon is awesome.

CrAnIuM
05-27-2009, 06:14 AM
I turned down knee and shoulder replacement some years back.

Odds are you will always be fucked no matter how well the surgery went.

Good luck !

Bunnee
05-27-2009, 06:16 AM
That sounds like a whole lot of kerfuffle for some drugs.

But that coincidence shit, worked out pretty well for you. I'm glad you got your knee fixed, although I don't really think 2 weeks is long enough for recovery.

Blood
05-27-2009, 07:14 AM
Jesus Christ that's awful!
My brother had a similar situation with those half assed doctors.

Picture this, some how you get pinned by the gun part of a tank and the tank body itself (sorry i forget what the names were for the parts of the tank that squished him.) and it tries to crush the living shit out of you.

Well he went from one doctor to another on base and they did nothing for him other than give him some pain meds...imagine just weak pain meds when you almost got crushed to death.

Anyway he finally got surgery because several of his internal organs were threatening to shut down. Turns out they fucked up and he had to go get surgery yet again a few months later. Everyone thought he was going to die but he somehow made it to surgery. They botched that one too and it ended up accidentally fucking up something in his spine so now he is unable to walk on his own.

After that, the army figured him to be useless to them so he came home for a bit and actually went and saw a real doctor. This new doctor was appalled at his previous treatment and actually fixed a lot of what the army docs couldn't be bothered to fix and he was able to walk short distances but he was still in excruciating pain.

But when the army got wind that 'he could walk' they wanted him back to work a desk job. His civilian doctors told them that he wouldn't be of any use because of all of the pain meds he had to be on would make him too loopy to function. The army doctors didn't care so they brought him back anyway and made him cut most of his meds so he could function...

So fast forward to about two months ago..the army is now claiming that my brother isn't injured at all anymore and that any pain that he's in is all in his head and they are currently trying to cut out all of his pain meds altogether.

He's in a wheel chair for Christ sake, a hover round to be exact because he is unable to actually propel himself using a standard wheelchair but yet they're still giving him shit. He cries daily because of the pain and that's pretty scary to see because he has always been tough as nails and has never been one to be a cry baby even if he was in pain.

There is something seriously wrong with the army's medical system these days. I mean these poor guys risk their lives doing their job to protect their country and yet when they are down and out the army isn't giving a shit about them in return. I understand that it can't be easy to make sure every single solder is taken care of but shit like this is ridiculous.

They are treating you guys like broken down machines that they are going to put minimal effort into repairing but yet they expect to work you until you finally get so run down that you are no longer of any use to them and they can afford to quietly discard you.

Sorry about the spastic incoherent rant..but when i hear about people getting jerked around by army doctors it really gets to me. I hope you are able to make a full recovery before they start trying to put you back to work again, there is nothing like trying to resume your regular duites on a bum knee. =/

Josie
05-27-2009, 07:28 AM
Daaaaamn, that sucks. I'm sorry you're goin through this crap, ss. Psychotic Medical Care FTL

Josie
05-27-2009, 07:38 AM
There is something seriously wrong with the army's medical system these days. I mean these poor guys risk their lives doing their job to protect their country and yet when they are down and out the army isn't giving a shit about them in return. . shit like this is ridiculous.

They are treating you guys like broken down machines that they are going to put minimal effort into repairing ..

Preach it, sista! hehe, no but seriously - it's a problem. My dad is ex air force. He was shot off duty by a friend. It blew apart his shoulder and part of his lung... the military was happy to just say "meh, you'll never use your arm again. get over it."

Civilian care and determination puts my father in great health - using that arm nearly as well as anyone else and having almost full use of the lung. To see him, clothed, you'd not guess he's missing a good portion of his muscles and connective tissues.

Military medicine is interesting shit. It's really got me worried. Especially since my current civy docs have no fucking idea what's up with me and I've sort of become their pet guinea pig.

What if we can't figure it out before I have to start up with tricare? Holy fuck, I'm screwed =/
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All the best to your brother, by the way. He has been and still is in my thoughts often. I know it's cheesy, but I do believe that "sending" positive energy to people is helpful... even if they don't know you or know about it. So, yeah. That's my way too touchy feely contribution of the day!

SlimSkeeter
05-27-2009, 06:37 PM
Physicians:
a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Now think about this…

Guns:
a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.
_________________

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

NiBBler
05-27-2009, 06:43 PM
Recommended cocktail: 1 percocet plus 1 Xanax = oblivion

4nik8
05-28-2009, 01:42 PM
Sorry to hear you got all that crap from medical. I can't believe the care you got was that sub-par. I guess I should consider myself lucky for the type of care I received on base. Major surgery and Demerol for pain.

Good luck to you, man.
Keep us up to date on what comes out of the Lt Colonel's interest in your case.

SittinGrumpy
05-28-2009, 02:57 PM
Hey man! I am glad someone finaly listened about your knee, sorry that recovery has been so fucking rough. Hang in there!

Superior
05-28-2009, 11:58 PM
That is a pretty raw deal man. Hope you recover faster than expected.

Cúchulainn
05-29-2009, 06:14 AM
Well, although I don't believe in 'em, it seems though I've got a guardian-angel type watching out for me. Had a mental health appointment on Wednesday. Went to that, first thing she asked me was about my knee. So I related to her the whole story about the stupidity encountered, and she called the Lt. Col. and thanked him on my behalf. Then she pulled some strings and got me assigned a different PA. The mental health lady is also lodging a formal complaint, also on my behalf, against both the hospital where I had the surgery done and the PA who told me I needed just Tylenol and Naproxen.

Also, upon talking to the other guys in my platoon who have had surgery, they all have had nothing nice to say about that PA. Another of my buddies here had gone to see her after shoulder surgery, she turned him away, too, with the same prescription. Then, the Cavalry arrived, in the form of the very same Lt. Col.

Apparently, this guy's been chewing out his staff left and right for being assholes and sticking up for us injured folks. So the entire medical system isn't totally fucked up - just a lot of it.

KommieKat
05-29-2009, 07:47 AM
All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
Buddha

Josie
05-29-2009, 09:51 AM
All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
Buddha


I wonder how most of what you have to say would be seen by Buddha.

Seems you're single-handedly going to bring about atomic bombing of China. Epicenter: YOU.

KommieKat
05-29-2009, 10:16 AM
I wonder how most of what you have to say would be seen by Buddha.

Seems you're single-handedly going to bring about atomic bombing of China. Epicenter: YOU.

Gee, what a silly post you have going here.

Why would it matter if Buddha see's my sayings and how on earth does that bring about any atomic bombing anywhere on this earth, Hong Kong of all places?

Off topic much?

HerCUNTness
05-31-2009, 02:54 AM
ACL and PCL are the ligaments you were referring to , right? The ones you couldnt remember?

I had my knee reconstructed @ Langley (with cadaver parts) . I got percocets from the get go.... but my story got waay fucked up day #2. They threw me into therapy. WTF! They wanted me to pedal a bike. My knee is twice the size of my head! It doesnt bend!
Then the idiot ( was he even old enough to drink?) therapy aide decided to electrocute my knee and found it funny to watch my whole body lift off the table! Oh JOY! << that was the first 15 minutes.. it got soo much worse from there and repeat appointments.
I went back against Doc orders @ 2 weeks. He originally wanted a month, I cant be crippled up in the house for that long.

Yeah, I know what you went thru.... I didnt have the bonus of a colonel.... my knee is still giving me troubles. Im a year and a half post op. My surgery was Jan 14 2008.
Good luck to ya ... remember at 6 weeks (your at your most vulnerable)you'll feel like a million bucks, resist the urge... wait it out.

HerCUNTness
06-24-2009, 03:17 AM
BUMP....
Give us an update on how your doing.

Gzus
06-26-2009, 11:10 AM
Fucking hell that's pretty fucked up Cuchulainn, Blood, Josie
All the best!

Mamba
06-29-2009, 04:59 PM
Well, although I don't believe in 'em, it seems though I've got a guardian-angel type watching out for me. Had a mental health appointment on Wednesday. Went to that, first thing she asked me was about my knee. So I related to her the whole story about the stupidity encountered, and she called the Lt. Col. and thanked him on my behalf. Then she pulled some strings and got me assigned a different PA. The mental health lady is also lodging a formal complaint, also on my behalf, against both the hospital where I had the surgery done and the PA who told me I needed just Tylenol and Naproxen.

Also, upon talking to the other guys in my platoon who have had surgery, they all have had nothing nice to say about that PA. Another of my buddies here had gone to see her after shoulder surgery, she turned him away, too, with the same prescription. Then, the Cavalry arrived, in the form of the very same Lt. Col.

Apparently, this guy's been chewing out his staff left and right for being assholes and sticking up for us injured folks. So the entire medical system isn't totally fucked up - just a lot of it.

That's brilliant. I'm happy for you! You probably should believe in guardian angels now, shouldn't you?